Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y Tell it like it is brother!! Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This guy confirms the media-driven view that gun owners are red-in-the-face lunatics incapable of having a reasoned discussions. Although he was correct in his viewpoints, his means of making his statements are bad for the cause of gun rights, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six-Shot Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This American Patriot has a lot more patience and tolerance with than I would have had. I would have taken the opportunity to demonstrate that you don't necessarily need a gun to kill somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This guy confirms the media-driven view that gun owners are red-in-the-face lunatics incapable of having a reasoned discussions. Although he was correct in his viewpoints, his means of making his statements are bad for the cause of gun rights, IMHO. Normally, I would agree that reasonable, soft talk approach is a good way to discuss certain topics. The problem is that the subject of Gun ownership, etc...has moved away from reasonable discussing talking points because the media has already tried and convicted US gun owners and now we are suppose to quietly sit by and be executed. I don't think so. Its time our voices were heard and heard LOUD. NO...we are not going to go softly like abunch of peasants. NO...we are not giving up our constitutional rights. If some of these folks don't like guns, then don't have one. But don't try to demonize me for having one. Don't throw the deaths of the innocent children in my face. Don't put the problems of our legal system at my front door. I served my country in the military. I pay my taxes I vote I obey the laws of the land I respect those who protect us and help enforce those laws. BUT I don't respect anyone who uses their positions to restrict my freedoms based on their ineptness to deal with reality. My friend at church this past Sunday said that he'll just hide his guns inside walls, etc. I told him to heck with that idea. Its time we told these mambie-pambie, anti gun, socialistic folks to 'take a hike'. If they want em, then come get em. And don't send Johnny Soldier to do your dirty work. Come take em yeself! ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 He is correct - I saw that segment and wasn't too thrilled about his 'not' answering Pier's questions (with a follow-up on what that 'statistic' means in context). Still, I certainly appreciated his passion and disdain over Piers and his anti-gun rhetoric. GG ~ :FlagAm:/>/> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Normally, I would agree that reasonable, soft talk approach is a good way to discuss certain topics. The problem is that the subject of Gun ownership, etc...has moved away from reasonable discussing talking points because the media has already tried and convicted US gun owners and now we are suppose to quietly sit by and be executed. I don't think so. Its time our voices were heard and heard LOUD. NO...we are not going to go softly like abunch of peasants. NO...we are not giving up our constitutional rights. If some of these folks don't like guns, then don't have one. But don't try to demonize me for having one. Don't throw the deaths of the innocent children in my face. Don't put the problems of our legal system at my front door. I served my country in the military. I pay my taxes I vote I obey the laws of the land I respect those who protect us and help enforce those laws. BUT I don't respect anyone who uses their positions to restrict my freedoms based on their ineptness to deal with reality. My friend at church this past Sunday said that he'll just hide his guns inside walls, etc. I told him to heck with that idea. Its time we told these mambie-pambie, anti gun, socialistic folks to 'take a hike'. If they want em, then come get em. And don't send Johnny Soldier to do your dirty work. Come take em yeself! ..........Widder +1 GG ~ :FlagAm:/> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Buckhorn,SASS 51727 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I am not a regular viewer of Piers Morgan or Fox or any other "News" TV channel. But I have been subjected to enough of them to know that the likes of Piers Morgan, and others of his type in the news and congress, use the "art form of shouting longer and louder" to silence their opposition. Is it appropriate? I can't answer the question specifically but it seems to work for them. But, evidently Mr. Jones was not so outlandish in his defense of the 2nd Amendment to draw attention from the "Main Stream Media". Otherwise they would be holding him up to the public as just another "Nut Job Gun Fanatic". Marlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 +1 Widder... that idea: responding to nonsensical assertions wtih sensible reasoning is exactly how we've gotten ourselves backed into this corner. The Anti crowd has continued to push Law Abiding Americans with "REASONABLE" tests. I mean who could honestly be against "firearm safety" or any of the buzz words like "weapons of war" as in "who really needs weapons of war?" We reasonable people say that no one really NEEDS weapons of war so we're coming to take yours. Well, in the words of Ted Nugent, "suck on the barrel of my machine gun." Make no mistake, it's coming and it's going to be put upon us by EXECUTIVE ORDER. That will crack open the can o' whoopass in my opiinion and the opinion of many others. For those of you who actually read and aren't mambie- pambie- hand- wringing- apologists against anyone with the backbone to take a stand; this guy is an interesting thinker as well: BOB OWENS BLOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This guy confirms the media-driven view that gun owners are red-in-the-face lunatics incapable of having a reasoned discussions. Although he was correct in his viewpoints, his means of making his statements are bad for the cause of gun rights, IMHO. I think Morgan achieved exactly what he set out to do on this show. :angry:/>/> Remember what I said a while back about the NRA needing a good spokesperson? Someone the fence sitting public could identify with and would listen to? This guy ain't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think Morgan achieved exactly what he set out to do on this show. :angry:/>/>/> Remember what I said a while back about the NRA needing a good spokesperson? Someone the fence sitting public could identify with and would listen to? This guy ain't it. Did he apply for the positiion of NRA spokesperson or is sponsered/encouraged to do so? If not, not worries... GG ~ :FlagAm:/> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Did he apply for the positiion of NRA spokesperson or is sponsered/encouraged to do so? If not, not worries... GG ~ :FlagAm:/>/> It is a worry because every gun advocate they put on TV who cannot put forth calm, reasoned arguments does not help our cause. And the media is more than happy to put someone on who will make the left look like the reasonable side. Guy couldn't even put a suit on for a national TV appearance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I couldn't disagree more. It's like back when we were all terrified about losing hunting and Ted Nugent came out with his Motor City Mad Man persona blasting the airwaves and carrying heap-major water for the rest of the mambie-pambie intellectuals who were busy quoting Jose Ortega y Gasset, Meditations on Hunting. They all disparaged Nugent and many in the NRA disparage him today, but it's effective counterpoint not to sit there and take spewed nonsense and attempt to make rational sense of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Slim Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 He out "Alinskyed" the "Alinskyite". I've seen these MSNBC types go off on individuals who don't share their world view, and Morgan got some of it back. A premise of "Rules for Radicals" is to never respond directly, or repeat, and opponents position, but to attack the individual, ridicule the position taken, and not give your opponent an opportunity to defend his position. Once it's understood that one can't engage in reasonable and rational discussions with some of these people, then use their tactics on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Although it's difficult, I think we need to look at all these discussions from the viewpoint of the undecided American; the guy who may not have guns and isn't sure about the need for them but is not necessarily anti-gun. We need to make them think about what's makes sense and what's at stake. Those are the ones that need convincing, not us. The rabid gun grabbers wil never see our point of view so our appeal must be to the millions of others who, we pray, may still possess some measure of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 YEah, like that worked for Gays, Lesbian, Transvestites, etc. Look at other groups and learn what works.... then do it twice as loud and 3x's as hard. Brooklyn Slim is right on. Take their noise and shove it right back at them with more conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 It is a worry because every gun advocate they put on TV who cannot put forth calm, reasoned arguments does not help our cause. And the media is more than happy to put someone on who will make the left look like the reasonable side. Guy couldn't even put a suit on for a national TV appearance? This guy put forth a calm, reasoned argument and one doesn't always need to wear a suit to be on National TV....it's a nice look however... GG ~ :FlagAm:/> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frio Kid, SASS #31915 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 That is exactly why the Republicans keep losing elections. They try to have a civil and reasonable discussions about the economy and our debt problems, while the Democrats scream "racist" and "war on women" along with any other ridiculous nonsense they can spew. We all saw how that worked for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams 3674 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 It is a worry because every gun advocate they put on TV who cannot put forth calm, reasoned arguments does not help our cause. And the media is more than happy to put someone on who will make the left look like the reasonable side. Guy couldn't even put a suit on for a national TV appearance? +1 You are right on, Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I am not a regular viewer of Piers Morgan or Fox or any other "News" TV channel. But I have been subjected to enough of them to know that the likes of Piers Morgan, and others of his type in the news and congress, use the "art form of shouting longer and louder" to silence their opposition. Is it appropriate? I can't answer the question specifically but it seems to work for them. But, evidently Mr. Jones was not so outlandish in his defense of the 2nd Amendment to draw attention from the "Main Stream Media". Otherwise they would be holding him up to the public as just another "Nut Job Gun Fanatic". Marlin But Piers has an agenda, and in this case his agenda wasn't on the surface. His agenda wasn't to discuss the issue of guns or gun control. Piers' agenda was to portray gun owners as raving lunatics -- mission accomplished. It's what media people call the "optics" of a situation -- and in this exchange what the gun-neutral viewers see is Morgan sitting quietly while he's screamed at and abused by yet another loony gun owner (with a subtext of -- if this guy can't control his temper even on a news show, should he be allowed to own a gun). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 YEah, like that worked for Gays, Lesbian, Transvestites, etc. Look at other groups and learn what works.... then do it twice as loud and 3x's as hard. Brooklyn Slim is right on. Take their noise and shove it right back at them with more conviction. Seems it may come to that - may need to... GG ~ :FlagAm:/> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frio Kid, SASS #31915 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I saw I guy who was not going to let some liberal loon run him over. I did not see a loony gun owner. I think the left has YOU right where they want you - "stay calm everything will be OK". Yeah, that tack has been working just great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 He out "Alinskyed" the "Alinskyite". I've seen these MSNBC types go off on individuals who don't share their world view, and Morgan got some of it back. A premise of "Rules for Radicals" is to never respond directly, or repeat, and opponents position, but to attack the individual, ridicule the position taken, and not give your opponent an opportunity to defend his position. Once it's understood that one can't engage in reasonable and rational discussions with some of these people, then use their tactics on them. 10-4.. sadly, ' nice guys finish last' will happen to us if we keep trying to take the 'high road' to civility. I sure advocate civility and wish we could, but it seems we will need to fight fire with fire as this issue gets pushed more and moe. GG ~ :FlagAm:/>/>/> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 That is exactly why the Republicans keep losing elections. They try to have a civil and reasonable discussions about the economy and our debt problems, while the Democrats scream "racist" and "war on women" along with any other ridiculous nonsense they can spew. We all saw how that worked for them. Right On! we saw Mitt trying to CALMLY tell 50 million Americans about Obama and his Bengazie statement and terrorism. And we saw how CANDY (typical media) made Mitt look like a liar. Mitt should have stuck to his guns on that segment because he was right. Have a good day! ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This really is quite simple. Think about it this way: None of the reasonable arguments from the NRA get much more than ridiculed and guffawed; while Alex Jones' got front page on Drudge Report and is now being talked about on every forum on the internet. Watch how it works and learn. There's absolutely no advantage in sitting there getting your ass handed to you like Piers Morgan has done to others in the past. Figuratively taking his effete ass out behind the woodshed has the entire ProDefense constituency charged and many who were on the fence lining up at gun shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Hummm? I don't know what is going on here.... it won't show the link that I wanted. Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Outlaw, SASS 71385 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 a radio talk show host who was neutral on guns was debating a anti gun guy about school killings and anti gun guy kept bringing up mag capacties and banning military looking rifles,radio host calmly mentioned Columbined(not sure spelling) happened during mag capacity ban and also in China wear there are no guns these crazies are going to schools with knives,swords,axes and killing and injuring children,biggest massacre of children happened in Michigan no shots were fired (nut blew up school),anti gun guy still saying we need these laws radio host said "how would you stop these people from killing?" and told him not to mention guns the anti gun guy was tongue tied, I liked how host was real calm and could reply back with facts that these bans are not going to stop these killings from happening, AO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Beady Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 YEah, like that worked for Gays, Lesbian, Transvestites, etc. Look at other groups and learn what works.... then do it twice as loud and 3x's as hard. Brooklyn Slim is right on. Take their noise and shove it right back at them with more conviction. I never so someone so desperate to convince the undecideds to join the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I never so someone so desperate to convince the undecideds to join the other side. We already know your strategy: Just be reasonable they are liberal and have everyone's best interests in mind. This isn't desperation or quiet desperation. This is a stand. Not asking or teling anyone else where they stand. Just saying that "reasonable, calm, objective' capitulation now has 30,000 gun laws on the books and enough fire power to make every gun owner a criminal by Executive Order. And if you are willing to abide that then, well GOATED. But, I'm not, won't and a change of strategy when you've observed the ass kicking that gun control has given the Constitution isn't deperation... it's about damned time to be fed up with it and make some changes. The one thing that is clear: especially since it make YOU so uncomfortable, is that it is working. Good law abiding AMerican people are saying **ck this and getting out their wallets and preparing themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I never so someone so desperate to convince the undecideds to join the other side. ...and I have never seen a person who says they support the 2nd Amendment not care about the threats coming upon us. GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monco Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Piers Morgan is prickly (to be kind) and usually never lets anyone calmly dispute his point of view which is probably why the guy on his show got worked up. He gets me worked up too and I don't need that garbage in my life. I refuse to view the channel he occupies much less his show. He was just as much of an pompous sphincter muscle on that dumb show America's Got Talent or something like that....never knew who the jerk was before then...but I sure do now. I'm sure he is very good at making all of his guests feel enraged.....that's his specialty and why he gets paid. I've also noticed that all of today's news media outside of local news (and that is debatable) must be bought and paid for and has simply become a way to spout negative light on subjects that go against the "Rainbowland" agenda and/or is just generally negative period. I try to avoid it all these days as much as possible outside if trying to stay somewhat informed.....which is a difficult task for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This guy confirms the media-driven view that gun owners are red-in-the-face lunatics incapable of having a reasoned discussions. Although he was correct in his viewpoints, his means of making his statements are bad for the cause of gun rights, IMHO. An embarrassment.... .....played right into Piers hand, and how Piers has a lifetime of soundbites to use against us.... He was the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/exclusive-piers-morgan-discusses-alex-jones-153617.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Beady Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 ...and I have never seen a person who says they support the 2nd Amendment not care about the threats coming upon us. GG I find it's better for my blood pressure to choose my battles. Since the question isn't about me, that's the last I'll say on this. The question is whether the fight can be won without persuading the undecideds that we can be trusted with what are, after all, deadly weapons. If you think it can be won by choosing someone who alienates the middle group and drives them into the antis' camp, that's your choice. Myself, I agree with UB; the best way to convince someone I can be trusted with weapons is to act like I can be trusted with weapons. That includes my choice of spokesperson, which is not someone who makes wild unsubstantiated claims, cites conspiracy theories as matters of fact and generally behaves like a cartoon version of what the other side already thinks about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I use to wonder why all the liberals could face the camera, share with all of us how wonderful our new taxes would be spent, how much it is needed, and how much we will benefit from it in the future. All the while, having the warmest smile you ever seen. Truth is, I learned that its easy to smile when you're happy 'sticking it to somebody'. In my opinion, the 'other side' has already had enough time to prove that they are the ones who can not be trusted. If anyone is still on that perverbial fench, then its because they've already got their heads stuck in the sand. Get involved NOW and let your voice be heard.....or get involved when its too late and the silence will be deafening. No guns, no freedoms, no guts. And then....no more Old Glory! ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I find it's better for my blood pressure to choose my battles. It's obvious the 2nd Amendment is a battle you care little about. GG ~ :FlagAm:/> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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