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Look at the original post.

 

It was only a "drooped" pistol, never dropped... :D/> :D/> :D/>

 

They make little blue pills now that will correct a drooping pistol .....

(please forgive me) :rolleyes:

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Don't read something into this that is not written. PWB stated that care should be taken when recovering the weapons. That's alot different than a SDQ.

 

Take care,

Barry Sloe

Are you saying that once the shooter had the gun in their hand they could not be awarded a SDQ for sweeping someone before the gun was reholstered?

 

Fillmore

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They make little blue pills now that will correct a drooping pistol .....

(please forgive me) :rolleyes:/>

 

 

Yeah, but Cialis will have your gun ready for 72 hours, to use when you are ready. :blink:/> :lol:/>

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In this case, the pistol was holstered, therefore it is not counted as being able to sweep someone...because it is still in the HOLSTER.

 

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I thought that the RO or Posse Marshal was supposed to retrieve all dropped firearms and insure that they are indeed unloaded and clear of obstructions, on the firing line or not? That is the instructions that I give in my safety breifing.

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I thought that the RO or Posse Marshal was supposed to retrieve all dropped firearms and insure that they are indeed unloaded and clear of obstructions, on the firing line or not? That is the instructions that I give in my safety breifing.

 

23. A dropped unloaded gun on the firing line (from the loading table to the unloading table) results in the shooter’s disqualification from the stage. A dropped loaded firearm results in a match disqualification. A shooter may not pick up a dropped gun. The Range Officer will recover the gun, examine it, clear it, and return it to the shooter.
SHB p.23

 

23. Any unloaded gun dropped during a stage will result in Stage Disqualification. Dropped unloaded guns away from the line will be a no call. A shooter is forbidden from picking up a dropped gun. The Range Officer will recover the gun, examine it, clear it (if necessary), return it to the shooter, and assess the penalty.
RO1 p.19

 

I read this as pertaining primarily to a SHOOTER dropping a firearm while ON the firing line.

 

Away from the line (whether in the staging area or between stages) would not require the intervention of the T/O, as there should be no reason to ascertain loaded/unloaded condition in order to assess the proper penalty.

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I read PWB's last post as if a gun falls,in or out of the holster, away from the firing line it is a "no call" whether nor not it seeps anyone as it falls. Once someone picks up the gun and it is "in hand" that person could get a SDQ if the gun is mishandled and sweeps someone.

The key being, if I read it right, is "in hand"

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That's exactly what was meant when I stated "If a firearm is dropped off the line, care should be taken to not sweep anyone with the muzzle while recovering it.":

 

1. Every firearm must be treated with respect!

Covering or sweeping an individual or group with the muzzle of an empty gun will result in a Stage Disqualification.

RO1 p.15

 

STAGE DISQUALIFICATION

• ...

Sweeping anyone with an unloaded firearm.

RO1 p.25
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Don't read something into this that is not written. PWB stated that care should be taken when recovering the weapons. That's alot different than a SDQ.

 

Take care,

Barry Sloe

And then there is what PWB didn't say. If I understand the following from page 15 of RO1, once the process of retrieving the fallen guns begins and the guns are "in hand," it is still possible to receive a SDQ for sweeping someone with an empty gun. As can be seen, sweeping doesn't only apply to the firing line.

 

Page 15 of RO1:

A muzzle must not be allowed to "sweep" the other participants between stages, or when moving the firearms from the gun cart to the loading tables. The muzzles of all long guns must be maintained in a safe direction (generally "up" and slightly down range), even when returning to the unloading table.

 

Also, from page 25 RO1 under the heading STAGE DISQUALIFICATION:

• Sweeping anyone with an unloaded firearm.

 

Edit: Oh well. This is what happens when I read a post, start responding, but stop to take care of something else, then return and finish the post. PWB is right and Fillmore was the first to get on base. :)

 

Edit again: Dang, the more I read, the more I figure out that I must have been in a time warp. Did I mention that Fillmore was on the right track? :D

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That's exactly what was meant when I stated "If a firearm is dropped off the line, care should be taken to not sweep anyone with the muzzle while recovering it.":

 

RO1 p.15

 

RO1 p.25

 

If you start looking for me, I'll be over here on the deacon's bench...which is where I was when the aliens abducted me. It's either that or I've come down with Rip Van Winkle syndrome. I've got cash missing too, so if anyone finds cash, it's mine. :ph34r:

 

 

 

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Scary,

 

I will see if I have a number for him to call and offer him a free shoot. He is very sweet guy.

 

Painted Filly

If you can get him to come back to shoot again, please give him a big hug from me.

That had to be a horrible experience for him. It sounds like it takes a lot of effort for him to shoot at all.

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Also, from page 25 RO1 under the heading STAGE DISQUALIFICATION:

• Sweeping anyone with an unloaded firearm.

 

Edit: Oh well. This is what happens when I read a post, start responding, but stop to take care of something else, then return and finish the post. PWB is right and Fillmore was the first to get on base. :)/>

 

Edit again: Dang, the more I read, the more I figure out that I must have been in a time warp. Did I mention that Fillmore was on the right track? :D/>

;)

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So... the way the rule is written, if you clear your SG, Clear your rifle, clear pistol 1 and drop it while reholstering, it is a SDQ.

 

But... if you holster it properly and then clear pistol 2 and drop Pistol#2 while reholstering, no call.

 

Correct. That is why I clear all four guns before reholstering either pistol. I won't go into how I learned to do this. :blush:

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If you can get him to come back to shoot again, please give him a big hug from me.

That had to be a horrible experience for him. It sounds like it takes a lot of effort for him to shoot at all.

Filly Gal,

 

Give him a hug from me, even though he won't know me "from Adam."

 

My grandpa died of Parkinsons and I hate to even think about what it does to folks. Bravo to him for shooting as long as he can. :D

 

Sincerely,

 

Allie Mo

 

PS This is a case where I'm so sad/mad about an incorrect extra punitive call I want to "kick butt." :angry: All incorrect punitive calls are annoying (and I'm not claiming innocence). This is so heartbreaking as I think it must be very hard for him to keep shooting and anything like this could cause him to leave before he really needs to do so. :(

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Has anyone called him to inform him of the incorrect call?

 

Ladies, don't pity someone who has lived a long life, perhaps raised a family and served in the military. Just 'cause were getting older doesn't mean we don't still have the pride and dignity of being and living as a man. Sure, give him a hug, :)/> I'm sure he'd enjoy that (I would), but treat him as a man.

 

Once he's had time to think about what happened, how it wasn't his fault and is informed of the bad call, I'm sure he'll be fine. ;)/>

 

Fillmore

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