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Widder, SASS #59054

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I know that any adjustable sighted pistol cannot be used in shooting GF, like the blackhawks.

 

BUT, if a person took off the rear adjustable sight and made a solid steel replacement that can neither move R-L or U-D, could a pair of these be used shooting GF category?

 

This becomes an external mod but I'm thinkin the Rules might allow this setup to be a legal mod for shooting GF category.

 

A friend of mine is inquiring before he spends some money on another pistol and I just wanted to be sure before I advise him (or ill advise).

 

Thanks

 

 

..........Widder

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Widder, the only acceptable way per the mods covenants to make a adjustable sighted gun into a fixed sighted one is to weld and reshape the top strap to a colt/vaquero profile.

 

Page 7 shooters Handbook

 

FRAMES AND RECEIVERS

• Frames and receivers may be drilled and tapped (e.g., to accept approved type sights).

• Ruger Blackhawk and Ruger Old Army adjustable sight frames may be modified by removing the rear sight assembly, welding up the sight cutout, recontouring the frame top strap, and cutting a new sight notch to replicate Colt SAA or Vaquero frames. The reconfigured frame must be mated with a conventional Ruger Vaquero type barrel, hammer, and the original grip frame assembly in order to be allowed as a fixed sight model revolver.

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Widder, the only acceptable way per the mods covenants to make a adjustable sighted gun into a fixed sighted one is to weld and reshape the top strap to a colt/vaquero profile.

 

Page 7 shooters Handbook

 

FRAMES AND RECEIVERS

• Frames and receivers may be drilled and tapped (e.g., to accept approved type sights).

• Ruger Blackhawk and Ruger Old Army adjustable sight frames may be modified by removing the rear sight assembly, welding up the sight cutout, recontouring the frame top strap, and cutting a new sight notch to replicate Colt SAA or Vaquero frames. The reconfigured frame must be mated with a conventional Ruger Vaquero type barrel, hammer, and the original grip frame assembly in order to be allowed as a fixed sight model revolver.

 

 

Thanks Deuce. You probably just saved my friend a few 000 of money.

 

 

..........Widder

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I know that any adjustable sighted pistol cannot be used in shooting GF, like the blackhawks.

 

BUT, if a person took off the rear adjustable sight and made a solid steel replacement that can neither move R-L or U-D, could a pair of these be used shooting GF category?

 

This becomes an external mod but I'm thinkin the Rules might allow this setup to be a legal mod for shooting GF category.

 

A friend of mine is inquiring before he spends some money on another pistol and I just wanted to be sure before I advise him (or ill advise).

 

Thanks

 

 

..........Widder

Does Senior Gunfighter not count as a age-based category allowing adjustable sights? The rulebook is a little confusing to me on this.

 

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Randy

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Thanks Deuce. You probably just saved my friend a few 000 of money.

 

 

..........Widder

 

Widder,

 

If I understand it, the new model Vaq's have the same grip frame as the old Three-screws so I don't know why someone would ruin a pair of three screws. Now, if the Blackhawks are the bigger models, then why no just go with the Old model Vaq's? I am not sure what we were trying to accomplish.

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Does Senior Gunfighter not count as a age-based category allowing adjustable sights? The rulebook is a little confusing to me on this.

 

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Randy

You would have to ask at the clubs that offer Senior Gunfighter as it is not an official SASS category.

 

Fillmore

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Does Senior Gunfighter not count as a age-based category allowing adjustable sights? The rulebook is a little confusing to me on this.

 

Thanks

 

Randy

 

Please see post #'s 17 & 19 on THIS THREAD

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Widder,

 

If I understand it, the new model Vaq's have the same grip frame as the old Three-screws so I don't know why someone would ruin a pair of three screws. Now, if the Blackhawks are the bigger models, then why no just go with the Old model Vaq's? I am not sure what we were trying to accomplish.

 

 

Howdy Dan.

 

my friend (really, it ain't me) has a NEW stainless superblackhawk in .44 mag with (believe it or not) Sheriff model barrels of 3.5" WITH Bisley grips/hammer. He has found its twin and is considering buying it IF he can use them in GF.

 

RANDY: he is far from being a senior.

 

 

Thanks all

 

..........Widder

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Howdy Dan.

 

my friend (really, it ain't me) has a NEW stainless superblackhawk in .44 mag with (believe it or not) Sheriff model barrels of 3.5" WITH Bisley grips/hammer.

 

Thanks all

 

..........Widder

 

Ok, nevermind. "Wow" is all I can say. Wouldn't 2" barrels be even better?

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Widder, the only acceptable way per the mods covenants to make a adjustable sighted gun into a fixed sighted one is to weld and reshape the top strap to a colt/vaquero profile.

 

Page 7 shooters Handbook

 

FRAMES AND RECEIVERS

• Frames and receivers may be drilled and tapped (e.g., to accept approved type sights).

• Ruger Blackhawk and Ruger Old Army adjustable sight frames may be modified by removing the rear sight assembly, welding up the sight cutout, recontouring the frame top strap, and cutting a new sight notch to replicate Colt SAA or Vaquero frames. The reconfigured frame must be mated with a conventional Ruger Vaquero type barrel, hammer, and the original grip frame assembly in order to be allowed as a fixed sight model revolver.

 

Back before my time in the early days of SASS, I understand that turning a Blackhawk into an acceptable fixed site gun was fairly common. They called them Cougars. Colt/Ruger Since Ruger came out with the Vaquero, the practice has not been necessary.

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It is prohibitively expensive. I have a Ruger that says New Model Blackhawk on the frame but looks just like a Vaquero with a half a silver dime for a front sight. It came that way to me in a trade. Great gun but I am sure glad I'm not the one who paid to have it done. Think about it. It would cost a pretty penny to have a smith weld it up and smooth it back down to shape and change out the front sight.

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Howdy Dan.

 

my friend (really, it ain't me) has a NEW stainless superblackhawk in .44 mag with (believe it or not) Sheriff model barrels of 3.5" WITH Bisley grips/hammer. He has found its twin and is considering buying it IF he can use them in GF.

 

RANDY: he is far from being a senior.

 

 

Thanks all

 

..........Widder

 

They might be a special run my local ffl had two but one sold the first day he had it

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Does anybdy know who would do that conversion on a Ruger Old Army? I have one that I would like to shoot in Frontiersman, but it has adj. sIghts.

You could probably buy one of the fixed-sight Old Armies for less than the cost of the conversion. If not , my guessing is way off.

Good luck , Rex :D

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Back before my time in the early days of SASS, I understand that turning a Blackhawk into an acceptable fixed site gun was fairly common. They called them Cougars. Colt/Ruger Since Ruger came out with the Vaquero, the practice has not been necessary.

Cruger.....I believe......Cougars are a beast of a different nature ;)

 

 

 

Stan

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Howdy Dan.

 

my friend (really, it ain't me) has a NEW stainless superblackhawk in .44 mag with (believe it or not) Sheriff model barrels of 3.5" WITH Bisley grips/hammer. He has found its twin and is considering buying it IF he can use them in GF.

 

RANDY: he is far from being a senior.

 

 

Thanks all

 

..........Widder

Sorry Widder, I thought you were talking about you shooting them.

 

Randy

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OK I get that Gunfighters can't use adjustable sighted guns but I'm unclear on this, can a B Western shooter shoot adjustable sighted guns as a Gunfighter?

 

YES.

"B" Western shooters may shoot GF-STYLE using main match revolver(s) with either adjustable or fixed sights.

 

“B” WESTERN

• Any main match revolver.

• Revolvers may be shot in any SASS–legal shooting style, at the shooters’ discretion.

SHB p.15
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