Jump to content
SASS Wire Forum

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

rawhide teddy01

wrong full arrest

Recommended Posts

If you get yourself arrested, then he's going to search incident to the arrest. You can push it too far, most of us have dash camera's and the violation on the vid. Also, that little deal you pulled on the guy would have just got you locked up if had any type charge at all.

That said I do not agree with the modern interdiction stops and most of the old guys will not get involved, but this is very prevelent these days. You would be surprised what they get off the highways using them.

I agree, I would tell the LEO no to a search and have done it myself with a Georgia DOT enforcement officer.

 

*Note to Capt Burt, Miranda is not a factor in a traffic stop; you've been reading Bubba Head's BS. He just wants you to get arrested so he can charge the fool out of you to make that rediculous fee.

I never said it was Pop, I simply said that if a traffic stop was the same as an arrest then the LEO would need to Mirandize before asking questions. My point was that traffic stops are not the same as typical arrests, and that's one reason why the subjects aren't read Miranda rights prior to being questioned. It sounds like you're saying that if you don't like the responses you get you'll look for any reason you can find to make an arrest? Nice. :blink:

 

I don't know who Bubba Head is either.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't watch TV when this is on the wire, it's soooooooo much more entertaining than TV. You guys should all meet and have a Beer while thinking about what you write in this here electronic media stuff. Go get 'em boys.... :lol: :lol: :lol: this is great stuff. Just sayin'

 

Big Jake

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sounds like Roscoe P. Coletrain, "MY COUNTY" my butt. Just tryin to act like a big shot. The county belongs to the residents, not no dang citizen with a gun and a badge.

 

 

Lone Dog, about you and the dog, I once saw the drug dog in Waco make a hit between the front seats of a Monte Carlo the cops had stopped. They really had something then, till the cop reached tween the seats and pulled out a chicken bone. True story, them dang dogs aren't God. But some cops think they are.

Yup my little Pug will do the same darn thing and she won't give up till she comes up with said bone. Adios Sgt. Jake

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yep...between this thread and the one in the Saloon about a guy getting his gun stolen and returned with a note....I had to make some popcorn and enjoy the evening reading them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

BK, apparently you had not committed a traffic offense but were the victim of a fishing expedition. his job which entails traffic enforcement but also the interdiction of illegal cargo then there is usually a dog either on board or close by. Once the dog alerts then no warrant is necessary to search. Whether you like it or don't like it.

:o I say, now, Officer Lone Dawg, I say, I think I see what it is yo sayin' der wit da dawg. I mean any ol' dawg could be made to indicate say a chicken bone or a swift JERK on dat leash. You Officer Dawg being the main interpreter of dat der dawg could pretty much say, "Now see h'year Yo Honah, dat gud ol' dawg done waggled his tail der" Daz how we know'd dis h'year Bro King been needin' a good tossin' o' his sh** all obah da roadside in big ol' messy pile."

 

"Les trow dat good book at da long-haired no-good hippy cowboy. Be confiscatin' his red trut, white trailer and all dem bullits... why he's a danger to polite society. Had hisownseff 10-12 gunz in der, too. GImme I say, Gimme a medal fo savin' da town!"

 

Bet you got that dog yappin' whenever you need him to right, LD? ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh, Oh, It's gittin' better n better by the minute. Grrrrrrrrr. go git 'em doggie.

 

Jake

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Never had no dog meowndangself but had friends that did. A trained drug dog does not alert on chickenbones. Anyways since I retired a coupla months ago I been busy growing my hair and beard out too. Pretty soon gonna look scruftier than you BK. And I always travel to and from shoots with a dozen or so guns. Listen I hear what you are saying and I agree too many law dawgs are eat up with big badge-itis. I hate it just as much as you, if not more. Any sullying of the badge angers and saddens me to no end. So really I am on y'alls side of this constitutional debate here. Just trying to point out a few realities. Let's talk about something else at the second annual TX State WBAS champeenships. You are gonna be there aintcha? I hope to improve on my next to last place finish of last year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I never said it was Pop, I simply said that if a traffic stop was the same as an arrest then the LEO would need to Mirandize before asking questions. My point was that traffic stops are not the same as typical arrests, and that's one reason why the subjects aren't read Miranda rights prior to being questioned. It sounds like you're saying that if you don't like the responses you get you'll look for any reason you can find to make an arrest? Nice. :blink:

 

I don't know who Bubba Head is either.

 

No, I'm not saying that that I look for a reason to make an arrest. BUT, the responses will be acted on, I am long past the "rookie" stage, so I don't give a flip about arrest. I think LD was trying to say that responses will get you in more trouble than your in............ we don't try cases on the side of the road. Every now and then someone will try and it don't go well. Save the fight for the court room.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Howdy Captain Bill Burt,

 

Kentucky Wrangler has a website, www.circlemsaddlery.com , that lists contact info. Any pards from the area been in touch with him?

 

Hasta Luego, Keystone

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Keystone, I'm going to mosey around his site and see if I can find an excuse to spend some money.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No, I'm not saying that that I look for a reason to make an arrest. BUT, the responses will be acted on, I am long past the "rookie" stage, so I don't give a flip about arrest. I think LD was trying to say that responses will get you in more trouble than your in............ we don't try cases on the side of the road. Every now and then someone will try and it don't go well. Save the fight for the court room.

One of my best hunting buddies is a top criminal defense attorney in Larimer county CO. He says over and over that the first $10k is spent trying to undo what you did with your open mouth. We all travel with rigs full of guns and bullets. Learn from poor Aramis' example.

Don't answer questions; be polite; don't agree to a search; turn your camera phone on. The defense rests..... :FlagAm:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh, Oh, It's gittin' better n better by the minute. Grrrrrrrrr. go git 'em doggie.

 

Jake

 

Haven been on for a few days and needed my morning laugh. These guys really do crack me up. Of course I know they are hopefully maken things up just ta push buttons. But they sure are funny and make me laugh! Thanks pards :lol:

 

How do you tell when a lawyer is lying? When his lips move! ^_^

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I was broke in on the job, I was taught that an arrest should be the last case scenario, something taken with regret, not joy.

 

 

As a Training Officer and as a Sergeant, I passed that along to my charges. I hope and pray that this one lesson stuck with them over the years.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Amen Sarge. For me a bad shift if when I had to arrest someone. Some young gung ho troops a bad shift is when they don't get to arrest somebody. But they will wise up someday if they stick long enuff.

 

BK, that lawyer gave you some good advice especially the part about turning on the cell phone video. My cell phone is a dumb phone so I don't know how long a smarty phone will video. No officer doing his job properly should fear being videod or get upset about it. What's curious to me is that some jurisdictions have passed laws making it illegal to record the police in their activities. Huh? Can you say an infringement on the 1st Amendment and bona facie unconstitutional. Anything that occurs out in public is fair game for being recorded.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well Don't come to my County and try that. You will go to jail. A traffic violation is a Misdemeaner. End of story

 

Most traffic violations are infractions, but these are examples of misdemeanors:

 

Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs

 

Failing to stop at the scene of an accident,

 

Driving without a valid driver's license,

 

Driving without insurance,

 

Reckless driving.

 

 

GG ~ :FlagAm:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just FYI for all of you because I have run into this before. SASS Wire rules prohibit the solicitation of funds for any reason, no matter how worthy.

However you may simply post a link to an independent website that has the necessary information and just say, "Go here to help out Cowboy John Doe", or something to that effect. I've done it for pards in need before and it's okay with the Moderators.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Most traffic violations are infractions, but these are examples of misdemeanors:

 

Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs

 

Failing to stop at the scene of an accident,

 

Driving without a valid driver's license,

 

Driving without insurance,

 

Reckless driving.

 

 

GG ~ :FlagAm:

 

 

An' failing that we can always hit 'em with highway mopery and attempt to gawk! Someting I learned in the old brown shoe days.

 

Olen

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tennessee Stud, SASS# 43634 Life

Most traffic violations are infractions, but these are examples of misdemeanors:

 

Driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs

 

Failing to stop at the scene of an accident,

 

Driving without a valid driver's license,

 

Driving without insurance,

 

Reckless driving.

 

 

GG ~ :FlagAm:

 

 

But there is a "felony reckless driving"... I can assure ya. Drive in reverse... 70 mph... on an interstate.... and don't pull over with cops in tow. See what happens.

 

Nearly lost all of my guns over bein' stupid.

 

ts

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

An' failing that we can always hit 'em with highway mopery and attempt to gawk! Someting I learned in the old brown shoe days.

 

Olen

 

Har! And then there's rubber neckin' at the scene of an accident. A very serious and dangerous offense!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But there is a "felony reckless driving"... I can assure ya. Drive in reverse... 70 mph... on an interstate.... and don't pull over with cops in tow. See what happens.

 

Nearly lost all of my guns over bein' stupid.

 

ts

 

Yup..felonies exist in the traffic violation world too.

 

So....

 

I'll just believe ya ;)

 

GG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Howdy Captain Bill Burt,

 

Kentucky Wrangler has a website, www.circlemsaddlery.com , that lists contact info. Any pards from the area been in touch with him?

 

Hasta Luego, Keystone

Howdy Keystone I am kentucky wranglerso far ted saket and ghost contactme attoney fees about two thousand dollars and gas to go there850.00 I have for leagal funds 100.00 from Ted Sacket

an ghost 20 .00 long way to go and i am talking to NRA lawyer he may be will help he has not commited

yet .this is the update So far my web site WWW.lemsaddlery> com 210-214-1716

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well,

 

Plenty of talking going on. It seems this SASS Pard has got a real problem & is a real person. How can we help him? I gather that Kentucky Wrangler aka Aramis Gulbeyan Sr. is the owner of Circle M Saddlery & Gun Leather in San Antonio, TX. Has anyone from San Antonio visited with him? How can we help?

 

Hasta Luego, Keystone

Thank you Kestone you the only said i ahve very short time and very short funds hopfuly cowboys will pitch in or may be new rig or something.so six thousand hit but no dice . once more thank you . this what happens honest man comply with Leo and becomes instant ciminal becuse we sit back and never will happen they will not have our guns . question is if goverment want your guns if they have them and start to opress you how do stand up will you throw flowers while beimg shot at? I say all cowboys join the figth to preseve what left in this country.

My son serving in marines in japan whatching over commis while same goverment wants pass un tready sounds very dangerous. what will happen if pass on Monday the 27th ?

we will be instant criminals with 1911 handguns.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't forget "fail to do right" and "contempt of cop".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tennessee Stud, SASS# 43634 Life

You are rigth Kw

 

 

Yore not from 'round here... are ya?

 

ts

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tennessee Stud, SASS# 43634 Life

huh ? what are you trying to say ?

 

 

Nothin'... didn't mean nothin' by it, friend... just askin', that's all.

 

I salute anybody who's spellin' is worse than mine.

 

ts

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tennessee Stud, SASS# 43634 Life

One other thing, Mister... in this country... right or wrong, "ignorance" of the law ain't no excuse. Durin' my lifetime, I spent some time incarcerated. Unfun.

 

You got guns... you gotta brain... best bone up on laws.

 

Just my opine if'fn ya want to keep 'em.

 

REMEMBER THIS: The current gov'ment... as we know it... wants you to part with them guns.

 

And... from what sadly read... that's what is gonna happen.

 

Walk away from it.... and learn.

 

Please... don't respond to this post. Mr. Harris is requested to take this under my lowly advisement... from a nobody like me... after seven pages, best shut this down. Just my opine.

 

 

EDIT: It's a hard life... ain't it?

 

ts

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am kentucky wrangler I am one oldest wendor in sass I coming from norEaster and stoped by new york stste tropper for lane signal chancge . i was trasnporting in my hand guns in lock bok container and he ask me i told him and he retived the guns and arrset me .I live 2200 miles away in san antoino and have to show in court october 3 5.30PM I don.t know how to figth this and i can't even hire a lawer due to low income ANY BODY CAN HELP IN THIS MATTER I BE GREATFULL WHO EVER DOES THANK YOU AN ADVENCE

kENTUCKY WRAGLER

This tread is closed thank you for all who ever wanted help or did not want to help

See you down the trails

And special thank you for Ted sackett ,ghost. Wj and serif Oso

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

[i am Kentucky wrangler I am one oldest vendor in sass I coming from nor’easter and stopped by new York state trooper for lane signal change . i was transporting in my hand guns in lock box container and he ask me i told him and he retrieved the guns and arrest me .I live 2200 miles away in san Antonio and have to show in court October 3 5.30PM I don’t know how to fight this and i can't even hire a lawyer due to low income ANY BODY CAN HELP IN THIS MATTER I BE GREATFULL WHO EVER DOES THANK YOU AN ADVENCE

Kentucky WRAGLER

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

[i am Kentucky wrangler I am one oldest vendor in sass I coming from nor’easter and stopped by new York state trooper for lane signal change . i was transporting in my hand guns in lock box container and he ask me i told him and he retrieved the guns and arrest me .I live 2200 miles away in san Antonio and have to show in court October 3 5.30PM I don’t know how to fight this and i can't even hire a lawyer due to low income ANY BODY CAN HELP IN THIS MATTER I BE GREATFULL WHO EVER DOES THANK YOU AN ADVENCE

Kentucky WRAGLER

This tread is closed thank you for all who ever wanted help or did not want to help

See you down the trails

And special thank you for Ted sackett ,ghost. Wj and serif Oso

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This tread is closed thank you for all who ever wanted help or did not want to help

See you down the trails

And special thank you for Ted sackett ,ghost. Wj and serif Oso

Hello,

 

If you want it closed, you need to contact a moderator to do so.

 

Regards and Good Luck,

 

Allie Mo

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.