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Doc Faraday, SASS #5749

Non-CAS What is it?

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Appealing to the collective expertise on the SASSWire Classifieds. Was going through the workshop and found an old ammo box full of WWII ball ammo. In this box was this Ammo Clip.

 

The headstamp of the ammo is:

Picture of Head Stamp

10|17

C |S67

 

It appears to be 30 cal, or very close, but is slightly shorter that 30-06.

 

Just curious as to what it is. I looks like it is meant to be linked to other such clips. What is it and would it be of interest to a collector?

 

Thanks,

 

Doc

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7.65 Mauser?

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Without having a scale, I would take TWO guesses:

 

#1: Japanese 7.7x58mm Arisaka Cartridge or the Type 99 Rimless round (Possibly a Type 92 HMG strip) http://www.ammo-one.com/7-7JapaneseCartridges.html

 

#2: FRENCH HOTCHKISS, which is 6.5x55mm

 

 

.30-06 is 7.62x63mm

 

 

About $50 worth to the right collector.

 

~Will

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If you can add a photo of the headstamp it would probably make identifying it easier.

 

GR

 

Added a picture of the Head Stamp

 

Case measures 56.5mm so it is either an undersized Arisaka or oversized Hotchkiss :wub: :wub:

 

Doc

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8x57 (8mm Mauser) ??

S67 = Spitzer bullet 67% copper alloy

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8x57 (8mm Mauser) ??

S67 = Spitzer bullet 67% copper alloy

SOURCE

 

Thanks PWB.

 

SO it looks like it's a 8mm Mauser.

 

What is the clip for?

 

Doc

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It's a stripper clip. Put clip, with bullits into top of mag. Shove bullits off clip into mag.

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It's not a stripper clip, look at the design, there's no way you could load a magazine with this. 11 rounds is an odd number for a clip fed machine gun, as this appears to be designed for. The Bersa M/938 was built in 7.92mm but uses 20 round clips. I wonder if this was attached to an ammunition belt somehow and used to start a new belt through the gun. Does the clip seem to be broken or otherwise damaged?

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It's not a stripper clip, look at the design, there's no way you could load a magazine with this. 11 rounds is an odd number for a clip fed machine gun, as this appears to be designed for. The Bersa M/938 was built in 7.92mm but uses 20 round clips. I wonder if this was attached to an ammunition belt somehow and used to start a new belt through the gun. Does the clip seem to be broken or otherwise damaged?

Maybe it is a 12-rounder, with one round missing on the left? Could it be either an en-bloc clip of some sort, or maybe a short rigid "belt" for some obscure battle rifle, rather than a machine gun?

 

Just spitballing.

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It's not a stripper clip, look at the design, there's no way you could load a magazine with this. 11 rounds is an odd number for a clip fed machine gun, as this appears to be designed for. The Bersa M/938 was built in 7.92mm but uses 20 round clips. I wonder if this was attached to an ammunition belt somehow and used to start a new belt through the gun. Does the clip seem to be broken or otherwise damaged?

 

Yes, now that I look at it, the right side appears to be broken. So it could have been part of a clip that held more.

 

Thanks everyone for your input.

 

Doc

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oops. that'll teach me to post without looking at the pic first. Not a stripper clip.

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The tray looks like one I have loaded with 8mm Lebel. 24 rounds to a tray 2 trays in paper wrapping. Yours seems to have been broken off at some point.

 

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff296/Tommezgun/IMG_0028.jpg

 

 

Yep, that's it. Mine seems to be broken in half. What firearm were these used for? Just curious.

 

Doc

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Yep, that's it. Mine seems to be broken in half. What firearm were these used for? Just curious.

 

Doc

 

Doc

Mine are for a French Hochkiss machine gun although I bought them to use in a Lebel carbine.

Dustin

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The Model 1922 Hotchkiss was offered in 7.92x57mm and also has a variant that used stripper clips (15, 24 &30 rd), with some recently recovered in Afghanistan.

 

http://world.guns.ru/machine/fr/hotchkiss-m1922-e.html

 

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/05/hotchkiss-model-1922-lmg-found-in-afghanistan/

 

http://www.armasizarra.com/product.php?id_product=421&id_lang=1

 

Considering that the Czechs used it post-WWI, it's easy enough to see why it would be loaded with German WWI surplus cartridges. Probably captured from some second-line unit in France and shipped home by a G.I.

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