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Somebody must be listening. I just followed the link above and according to the info on the DPS page as of 5/1/2012 NM has reciprocity with some 17 states, including Colorado. However, it says they are Auditing all of the agreements and information will be posted as things change. Sounds like a little back-pedaling to me.

 

Red River Wrangler

More like a LOT of back pedaling. Typical, "Why, that's not what we meant at all" backpedaling. :rolleyes: I suspect they were inundated with emails and calls. We'll see how this plays out.

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I find the whole reciprocity/recognition of CCW permits from one state in another to be rather bizzare.

 

Now, while that may be the *attitude* of various law enforcement personell, I would not want to trust my freedom to it, especially if local laws say differently.

 

But now, because I am never one to leave well enough alone, I have to offer the following quote:

 

Article IV

 

Section 1

 

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

 

Section 2

 

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

 

 

Seems to me that for one state to NOT honor the CCW of any other state is a violation of the above sections of the Constitution, which is supposed to be the supreme law of the land. Since it has finally been determined that the RKBA is just that, I think it is only a matter of time before every state is forces to honor every other state's permit, unless Congress makes a law to allow for some exceptions. After all, my Massachusetts drivers liscence is honored in all 50 states, Washington DC, the 4 territories, and the 1 protectorate. And driving is not a right. Carrying a gun is.

 

Reciprocity is gonna be the next big thing. It's only a matter of time.

 

Keep in mind that LEO's are NOT lawyers and lawyers are NOT our congressional representatives. The US Constitution "trumps" all other laws and the US Supreme Court interprets ALL state and local laws and determines whether they are constitutional or not. It is "We the People" who ultimately are responsible to insure that ALL our civil servants protect and defend the constitution. We hold the ultimate trump card . . . the vote!

 

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." Thomas Jefferson

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From a email from TSRA (Texas State Rifle Association)

 

Update on Yesterday: "New Mexico Slashes Concealed Carry Reciprocity Agreements!"

Yesterday, May 1st, Slashed was a very good word.

 

Yesterday morning if you clicked on the link below you'd find that the New Mexico Department of Public Safety announced their state would no longer accept concealed handgun licenees from a large list of states including Texas:

 

New Mexico DPS Reciprocity Agreements with Update

 

If you clicked on the link above yesterday morning, the alert was clear and correct.. Many TSRA members did just that and acted immediately to contact New Mexico.

 

Those who clicked on the link above late yesterday afternoon or today found a much different message than the one described in the alert and wondered at the hoop-la.

 

Thanks goes to the thousands of concealed handgun licensees from around the country who acted quickly,specifically licensees in states effected by the change, folks who wrote or called the New Mexico DPS and the Governor of New Mexico, It was their comments that brought about the change you see to the DPS site today. Action has been temporarily postponed and for now your license is "good".

 

No, TSRA has not joined those among us who sensationalize issues. Not hardly!

 

The postponement came due to both public out-cry and the hard work of the NRA lobbyist for New Mexico, who by the way, also represents Texas.

TSRA Website

 

Check for the whole story and watch for future updates at the TSRA website: www.tsra.com It's not over, folks, and if you're carrying on an out of state license you may have more concerns.

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my answer came from the office of suzanne skasik. at least her e-mail .i am glad to see florida is reconized.

conceal carry (what are you carrying). some states specify fire arms (guns).some states does not say fire arms . that is the differance in the laws.

see what each states statues defines for ccw

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I just got a reply from Sgt. Skasik of the NM DPS CCW Unit regarding the issue.

 

Again, I am saddened and appalled that this happened in the first place. New Mexico, like all states, has its' good and bad points. While we are not perfect, our state has always had excellent firearms laws until this happened. I hope that all you pards reading this will take the time to write our state officials and express your feelings on the matter. I think that we are making a difference and we must continue to do so.

 

My dream is to one day see nation wide CCW reciprocity and I hope this will be a stepping stone to that end.......

 

Here is the response I got from Sgt. Skasik:

 

"Sir,

 

Thank you for your comments concerning concealed carry reciprocity. You'll be pleased to know that our audit of concealed reciprocity is continuing, rather than ending. Our reciprocity web page has been updated (yesterday) to reflect this fact, with reciprocity or recognition remaining intact with many states at this time.

 

http://www.dps.nm.or...ity-agreements/

 

Regards, Sergeant Suzanne M. Skasik

 

NMDPS/SID/CCU"

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I see that from last night when I first saw this post to just a few minutes ago that Arizona is once again on New Mexico's good side. This is definitely good news.

 

Barry Sloe

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Section 1

 

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

 

Section 2

 

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

 

 

Seems to me that for one state to NOT honor the CCW of any other state is a violation of the above sections of the Constitution, which is supposed to be the supreme law of the land. Since it has finally been determined that the RKBA is just that, I think it is only a matter of time before every state is forces to honor every other state's permit, unless Congress makes a law to allow for some exceptions. After all, my Massachusetts drivers liscence is honored in all 50 states, Washington DC, the 4 territories, and the 1 protectorate. And driving is not a right. Carrying a gun is.

 

Reciprocity is gonna be the next big thing. It's only a matter of time.

 

According to the "Living and Breathing Constitution" theory, your rights are only as good as the current crop of judges and legal experts, and may be interpreted away at any moment. I won't hold my breath waiting for national reciprocity. <_<

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I emailed them earlier today to voice my discontent. This is the reply they sent me.

 

Mr Muse,

 

Thank you for your comments concerning concealed carry reciprocity. You’ll be pleased to know that our audit of concealed reciprocity is continuing, rather than ending. Our reciprocity web page has been updated (yesterday) to reflect this fact, with reciprocity or recognition remaining intact with many states at this time.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Sergeant Suzanne M. Skasik

 

NMDPS/SID/CCU

 

505-841-8053

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The saga continues.

 

As of May 1st, 2012, New Mexico says...Oops, sorry about that.

 

However there is still a large confusing problem.

 

This is the e-mail I just sent to the State of Florida regarding reciprocity with New Mexico.

 

The New Mexico Reciprocity agreements for Weapons Concealed Carry are in turmoil. On March 26th, 2012 they listed several then existing agreements, as no longer valid, including Florida.

This is reflected on Florida's website.

 

http://licgweb.doacs...aled_carry.html

 

However, after a storm of protests, on May 1st, 2012 New Mexico changed their position (somewhat) and corrected their reciprocity agreements.

 

http://www.dps.nm.or...ity-agreements/

 

The problem facing all legal Florida AND New Mexico Concealed Carry licensees is that the Florida website STILL lists New Mexico as being removed from approved reciprocity.

 

Can someone please get this confusion remedied quickly?

 

Right or wrong, in my humbled opinion, this is a classic case of why a Nationwide Right to Carry is needed. For more info on this....click here.

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What a croc. I went to NM 20 years ago and loved Sante Fe and Taos. They will not have that pleaseure of my company again, since they think that a KY CDW holder is a threat.

 

I just left a business trip in Rockford, IL yesterday where I have now realized I broke the law by having my loaded Ruger LCR in my overnight bag in my car. I supposed a few elitest / socialists / Obamaites in Chicago made their way to Springfield to put that BS in place despite the gazillion farmers and sportsman in that fine state.

 

BTW, I hope "the man" is not reading this...

 

READ the Concealed Carry law before you cross the state line as you may be heading into hostile Indian territory! Keep your powder dry and your Bible read...

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Just imagine the CHAOS if, from State to State, we didn't know if our driver's license was valid!

 

NATIONAL RECIPROCITY NOW!!!

 

 

 

Waimea

 

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Follow up:

 

The State of Florida website still maintains that the reciprocity agreement with New Mexico was terminated on March 26th, 2012 and that New Mexico CCW/CFL's are no longer honored.

 

Since I had not heard anything from the The Florida Department of Agriculture (issuer of Concealed Weapons Licenses) in response to my e-mail I decided to call Tallahassee and see if I could get clarification.

 

Well sort of.

 

The individual who answered the phone, and refused to provide a name, seemed about as interested in what I had to say as to the exact distance to a saloon spitoon.

 

I provided her with New Mexico's DPS website address and explained they made a teensy-weensy error in their 'audit' information and 'corrected' their mistake and now honor Florida's reciprocity.

 

I guess this got her attention for she actually sounded almost alert and simply stated, 'Well, we aren't honoring theirs!"

 

Of course the next obvious question was, 'and if someone from New Mexico with a valid CFL/CCW is traveling through Florida...and she cut me off with a curt....'they'll be arrested and charged with carrying a concealed weapon.'

 

Makes you wonder about our marvelous Civil Service, eh?

 

Anyway, to all New Mexico pards thinking of coming to Florida, please do some serious checking first before you cross the Florida border.

 

I'll do my best to keep on top of this mess and if I get any more cheery information I'll pass it along.

 

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Follow up:

 

The State of Florida website still maintains that the reciprocity agreement with New Mexico was terminated on March 26th, 2012 and that New Mexico CCW/CFL's are no longer honored.

 

Since I had not heard anything from the The Florida Department of Agriculture (issuer of Concealed Weapons Licenses) in response to my e-mail I decided to call Tallahassee and see if I could get clarification.

 

Well sort of.

 

The individual who answered the phone, and refused to provide a name, seemed about as interested in what I had to say as to the exact distance to a saloon spitoon.

 

I provided her with New Mexico's DPS website address and explained they made a teensy-weensy error in their 'audit' information and 'corrected' their mistake and now honor Florida's reciprocity.

 

I guess this got her attention for she actually sounded almost alert and simply stated, 'Well, we aren't honoring theirs!"

 

Of course the next obvious question was, 'and if someone from New Mexico with a valid CFL/CCW is traveling through Florida...and she cut me off with a curt....'they'll be arrested and charged with carrying a concealed weapon.'

 

Makes you wonder about our marvelous Civil Service, eh?

 

Anyway, to all New Mexico pards thinking of coming to Florida, please do some serious checking first before you cross the Florida border.

 

I'll do my best to keep on top of this mess and if I get any more cheery information I'll pass it along.

 

I could go on about Florida transferring the ccw program to Ag..but I won't. :rolleyes:

 

However if you get a state employee who won't give you their name keep at it by going up the chain of command until you get a supervisor. I can tell you the Dept of Agriculture employees I dealt with while there desperately needed some customer service training. They were one of the worst state agencies in that regard in my opinion. If anybody ion my department had refused to give their name out they would have been in some deep poo. If you run into that and can't get a response from a supervisor, write a letter to the Tallahassee Democrat and the Tampa Tribune. They love info like that.

The Governor will not be pleased.

 

At the crux of the problem here is the written reciprocity agreements that are, or were, in place.NM has cancelled the one in place and now apparently a new one needs to be done before reciprocity can happen. I'm not sure if it takes legislative action or not but The Land of Enchantment has certainly flung a big fly in the ccw ointment! :angry:

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At the crux of the problem here is the written reciprocity agreements that are, or were, in place.NM has cancelled the one in place and now apparently a new one needs to be done before reciprocity can happen. I'm not sure if it takes legislative action or not but The Land of Enchantment has certainly flung a big fly in the ccw ointment! :angry:

 

+1

 

I could not agree more! If that political hack of a NMDPS Commissioner or whatever he's called, didn't wake up one morning and say to himself, "I'm going to play God today" and left things alone, none of this would have become an issue.

 

Ahhh, but therein lies the rub. Political patronage appointees have to justify their existence so their agency can justify their budget and on and on and on.

 

With far too much time on his hands or perhaps looking for a more aspiring political enhancement, he decided to 'review and audit' New Mexico's reciprocity agreements. He was shocked to discover that those nasty other states did not meet New Mexico's requirements. Feeling his oats, or whatever else he had for breakfast that morning he whips out his broad brush, tar and feathers the other states and publishes his findings.

 

Now, my goodness, New Mexico is startled! Why all this fuss from law abiding citizens? It was just a review and audit for heaven's sake.

 

I truly feel sorry for the Governor of New Mexico. As I previously mentioned, her NMDPS Czar has just handed her political opponents a whole new supply of barbs, slings and arrows. Which unto itself is ironic since her opponents are Democrats and they are not exactly 2nd Amendment friendly folks.

 

As to Florida, I'll try again on Monday to get someone in Tallahassee to look into this mess before one of our NM brethren finds him/her self in deep doo-doo at the border.

 

 

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A Canadian here with a warning for you and to encourage you to fight any encroachment on your rights.

We have just finished a long expensive battle to end a long gun registry here, (not handguns which is another whole kettle of smelly fish)

We are now seeing some provinces (our version of a State)trying to ignore Federal law and put their own draconian ideas in place.

All in the name of "Safety" and to create a bigger and better bureaucracy.

Don't let them do it.

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I pray for the day when bureaucrats stop deciding how we should live and we can all enjoy the ability to defend ourselves across the Country.

 

 

BTW, I was speaking to my State Senator and Illinois is veeeery close to passing a CCW law. It'll be close and hopefully our grubbernator won't veto it.

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BTW, I was speaking to my State Senator and Illinois is veeeery close to passing a CCW law. It'll be close and hopefully our grubbernator won't veto it.

 

Sarge, I kept looking to see if this was an old post someone had slipped in here, perhaps dated April 1st ?, but you're serious about this, aren't you? I haven't heard a word about it. I sure hope y'all get it this time around - its long, long overdue!

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I was speaking to him yesterday. There are a lot more back room dealings than we are supposed to know about. Patience my friend. Quinn is the problem...

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In all fairness to EOT & NM, they allow open carry that is very open...unless that has changed.

 

One of the restaurants in Moriarty even encouraged us to wear our loaded sixguns.

 

Foard

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As of 08 May 2012, Florida has placed New Mexico back on the approved reciprocity list.

 

'May 8, 2012: NEW MEXICO re-added to the list after authorities at the New Mexico Department of Public Safety confirmed that they would once again honor Florida concealed weapon licenses'

 

Someone finally put down their coffee cup and started paying attention.

 

Let's all hope NMDPS gets their act together and puts this mess to rest once and for all.

 

 

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Just imagine the CHAOS if, from State to State, we didn't know if our driver's license was valid!

 

NATIONAL RECIPROCITY NOW!!!

 

 

 

Waimea

 

:FlagAm:

 

 

+1 We all need to keep pushing for this.

 

Rye

 

 

 

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