Jacknife Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 That's not always possible. Some SASS clubs don't own their own range. Those clubs have to abide by the rules of their host range. If the range owner says no loading guns on the move, then you don't load on the move. Anything is possible, no such thing as "Can't." What Toronado was getting at I think, was once ya reach state or above matches, SASS rules should apply. Even across the board that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Anything is possible, no such thing as "Can't." What Toronado was getting at I think, was once ya reach state or above matches, SASS rules should apply. Even across the board that way. Really? One of the cowboy clubs here in Vegas shoots at the Clark County Shooting Park. It's a huge shooting complex that's built, owned and operated by the county. If the range rules say "No loading guns on the move" you're suggesting the club do it anyway??? If that's not what you're saying please let me know because I'm REALLY confused by your "Anything is possible, no such thing as Can't" statement as it applies to this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 PS, what I think they are saying is that since CaC has a rule that is anti what the SASS rule is then all SASS rules don't apply. Ergo and therefore and thus the SW Regional should be moved to a club where all SASS rules DO apply and there are no local extra rules. That ain't gonna fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Id have to ask why is your finger on the trigger if your not ready to shoot? Its perfectly safe to load on the run if you follow the common sense rules people learn as kids. Never have your finger on the trigger unless your ready to shoot. Pay close attention at your next match! I'll bet that alot of folks will have their finger on the trigger!! You might be surprised!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 OK, I personally watched a BIG NAME shooter shoot a '97 while moving without "Planting", no one said anything. This was at EOT a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 As long as both feet ain't in the air at once, far as I'm concerned they ARE "planted". I ain't callin' it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The reason the Badlands Bar-3 has a "plant and poke" rule were plainly and politely laid out by the ranch owner, T-Bone. While the rule differs from SASS rules, the WB understand that some ranges will have slightly different "range" rules and make allowances for them in the Match Director's Guide. They finish the paragraph about these differences by saying, "Cowboys can be flexible if they simply have a little time to consider the local ground rules. If they know in advance and can’t be happy, they can exercise their right not to attend." A sentiment with which I agree 100%. Possum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red River Ray SASS#33254 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The reason the Badlands Bar-3 has a "plant and poke" rule were plainly and politely laid out by the ranch owner, T-Bone. While the rule differs from SASS rules, the WB understand that some ranges will have slightly different "range" rules and make allowances for them in the Match Director's Guide. They finish the paragraph about these differences by saying, "Cowboys can be flexible if they simply have a little time to consider the local ground rules. If they know in advance and can’t be happy, they can exercise their right not to attend." A sentiment with which I agree 100%. Possum +1 RRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Good Grief!!! CAC sells out each year, they put this rule up front, and then everyone is reminded at every stage where there is movement with the shotgun. I have NO problem if a club has a SAFETY rule BEYOND SASS'S safety rules, such as Mason Dixon.. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN DON'T SHOOT AT THESE CLUBS! Myself, I can VERY easily live with it. Cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Good Grief!!! CAC sells out each year, they put this rule up front, and then everyone is reminded at every stage where there is movement with the shotgun. I have NO problem if a club has a SAFETY rule BEYOND SASS'S safety rules, such as Mason Dixon.. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN DON'T SHOOT AT THESE CLUBS! Myself, I can VERY easily live with it. Cheyenne Me too... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 MLB has "Different Ground Rules" at every Ball Park!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fillmore Coffins, SASS #7884 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I have always been under the impression that State and aboves matches must follow SASS rules. I've been doing this awhile. I once witnessed Bounty Hunter trip, roll, stand up and resume firing, safely. We are shooting real guns with real bullets. We move with them all the time. Some folks are wearing high heels, long skirts, or floppy chaps. What about spurs?! Sorry, I don't get the plant and poke rule. I suspect that if it were any other Range we were talking about, folk's sentiments would be different. If this discussion carries on and becomes a big deal, maybe SASS will change the rules. Fillmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 At Circle K we do. You can load yer double, but once ya "lock it up" the basketball rule applies. With tongue firmly insterted in cheek, I must ask... "Does this mean the rule is never enforced?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 It has been mentioned in another post that some clubs do not allow loading the shotgun on the move, as allowed by SASS rules. Course the clubs have the opportunity to disallow it if they so choose. Was just wondering how many clubs do not allow this and the reason behind disallowing it. Not wanting to start a mud slinging contest, just looking for honest answers. (if that is possible here) seems honest answers are hard to come by.......there is a rule book, you just can't have "this is ok here but not ok there". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 My thoughts on this are that anyone can have local rules for their range for local monthly matches. Once it goes beyond that to State and above or any Match that advertises SASS members only, the it should play by ALL the SASS rules. A simple statement of all SASS rules apply. I see too many shoots at those levels that impose their "hypothetical" safer rules, as I've never seen any factual data or studies that this is safer. If the national ruling body of the sport feels the rule is safe, then it is safe and play buy those rules. If a range cannot abide, then move the match to a place that understands what the requirements are to hold a SASS match. I firmly believe SASS should enforce this. and to award a club to have a SASS State and above match, you need to abide by all sass rules. Pard, It is not a SASS rule that a round shot over the berm is a MDQ. However, due to location, it is a rule at some ranges. So, I must disagree with a unilateral enforcement of SASS rules being a qualifier for State and above matches. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone SASS #36388 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I worry more about the Trash pick up and food vendors..Pray that we don't have any rain and hope no one runs off in the ditch and gets stuck. Thinking about how a shooter is or might mess up does not even play into our daily planning of a match. We hope everyone can attend Comin'At'Cha 2012 or at least 400 of Ya anyway.. Y'all come on down to Texas for a glass of Front Porch sweet tea, "just like momma usta' make".... Love Ya T-Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 CAC is the BEST shoot in SASS T-Bone is the BEST host Chickasaw Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six-Shot Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 MLB has "Different Ground Rules" at every Ball Park!! Great analogy! If I might add, "within the confines of the rules of the game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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