How is this Legal?

[Wrangler Jones, SASS # 64178]

Ran across this clip while YouTube surfing:

 

 

The manufacturer says it's perfectly legal - but it sure looks like full-auto to me! :blink:

[Tuco Forsyth #72674]

Ran across this clip while YouTube surfing:

 

 

The manufacturer says it's perfectly legal - but it sure looks like full-auto to me! :blink:

 

It's perfectly legal! It's a form of bump firing, the stock just does it easily. Also, there is no modification to the trigger mechanism of the gun.

 

I bet the ATFe is looking at these.

[Three Foot Johnson]

The Akins Accelerator stock for the 10/22 was originally approved, then, after sales started, ATF said, "We changed our minds, we're going to classify it as a sub-machine gun".

 

[hud]

not legal in Ca, not a shock, but it aint

hud

[Mad Dog Jack, SASS #77862]

Ran across this clip while YouTube surfing:

 

 

The manufacturer says it's perfectly legal - but it sure looks like full-auto to me! :blink:

Ah shucks, she gets to have ALL the fun! Interesting, but I'll never get to see one here. The gun that is.

[Krazy Kajun]

For any Hickok45 fans he recently did a video on slide fire stocks....you can see it here

 

 

Edited March 5, 2012 by Krazy Kajun

[Dirty Dan Dawkins]

I finally found a reason to buy an AR.

[Dirty Dan Dawkins]

I finally found a reason to buy an AR

[Wrangler Jones, SASS # 64178]

In Hickok45's video, I can see how it works. They're right; there are no mechanical parts, it's just a slip-on replacement stock with about 1/2" play in it... that lets you shoot practically full-auto!

 

BATFE may not have grounds to ban it, but it's certain to give the gun-grabbers an argument to ban those eeeevil assault rifles.

[M.T Chambers, SASS#76185]

The Akins Accelerator stock for the 10/22 was originally approved, then, after sales started, ATF said, "We changed our minds, we're going to classify it as a sub-machine gun".

 

 

Very true J Bar, but I believe the Atkins stock had a spring in it. The Slide-Fire doesn't have any springs, it's just a add-on stock and is supposed to include a copy of the BATF letter of approval - for now.

Only time will tell if they will retract their approval of this one.

Edited March 5, 2012 by M.T Chambers, SASS#76185

[Llama Ron]

...and $350 is a HUGE gamble. Every time I see a video of this thing in action, I get all giggly. -I bet there is some jack-booted thug higher up that sees the same video, and instead of getting giggly, is going XXX!! ...it's a matter of time. The lib's won't let this one slide. pun intended.

[Wrangler Jones, SASS # 64178]

Well, if ya got the itch & the dough, buy one & stash it. Could be useful for TEOTWAWKI.

[Hacker, SASS #55963]

The legality hinges upon the concept of what separates semi auto from full auto.

Last time I heard that was.....

A full auto is defined as having for each trigger pull more than one round goes down range.

Semi auto has a single round going down range per trigger pull.

Edited March 5, 2012 by Hacker, SASS #55963

[Bama Red]

Yup. That's the way I recall also.

[Mustang Gregg]

 

Bump fire ain't new. I saw it about 3 or 4 years ago.

And really now, bump fire ain't all that accurate.

Not nearly as accurate as a real select fire weapon.

 

The libs will have fun with this.

 

MG

[Joe LaFives #5481]

But wait - machine guns are legal in many states. They just require a tax transfer stamp.

[Sixgun Shorty, SASS #35717 Life]

Ran across this clip while YouTube surfing:

 

 

The manufacturer says it's perfectly legal - but it sure looks like full-auto to me! :blink:

 

It is NOT a machine gun or Full Auto.. I am a Class IIII dealer.

It is not marketed as or referred to as a machine gun or full auto because it is not!

A machine gun or full auto is described in ATF regs as " holding the trigger down allows sustained fire"

Not the case with the Slide Fire.It has nothing to do with the trigger as far as the operator is concerned and has no moving parts or springs, and requires no modifications to the guns mechanism or trigger group at all.Simply a stock replacement...You shoot using the forearm and moving it forward about an inch as the stock itself moves back and forth allowing traditional but extremely controllable bump fire using the guns own recoil.It comes with a statement from ATF attesting to its legality.

Believe me, you can shoot 650-850 rounds per minute as # rounds per minute is totally controllable as is aiming and staying on target just like any other rifle.More fun than you can imagine with an AR or AK.Empty a 30 round mag of .223 in about 3 seconds, controlling every shot.

If you are on the receiving end of the muzzle, you would notice no difference in full auto or bump fire now.

These are the hottest accessory in the firearms business today.

I have one on my 2 personal AR's, a Colt and a Stag Arms M3 set up as a sniper rifle(the stock can be locked down and used as a conventional stock).Also have one on my Arsenal, Inc. AK 47.Phenomenal.Both of my AR's are suppressed and firing the slide fire is just too much fun for words.Draws a crowd at the range. I have sold many of them to LEO's even.

NOT Legal in CA...Big Surprise!

Contact me off Wire if interested in more specs and info.

rsmhd_1@charter.net

[Sixgun Shorty, SASS #35717 Life]

 

Bump fire ain't new. I saw it about 3 or 4 years ago.

And really now, bump fire ain't all that accurate.

Not nearly as accurate as a real select fire weapon.

 

The libs will have fun with this.

 

MG

Not true ..anymore.

The Slide Fire stock is absolutely as accurate as any full auto machine gun, and works great and accurately with scopes of any kind.

Bump fire is as old as semi auto guns..but was never controllable from the shoulder or accurate like the Slide Fire which is revolutionary.

["Pop" Dawson]

Anyone know about the cost of one of these carbines? I'd like a 9mm.

[Llama Ron]

The legality hinges upon the concept of what separates semi auto from full auto.

Last time I heard that was.....

A full auto is defined as having for each trigger pull more than one round goes down range.

Semi auto has a single round going down range per trigger pull.

 

Right. Except 'bump fire' uses the recoil motion to crash the trigger into your static finger to 'pull' the trigger.

 

The Akins Accelerator used the same technology, albeit it had a spring in the stock, it still was a bump fire stock. -It too, was 'ATF' approved. UNTIL they changed their minds!!! Mr. Akins took his case all the way in the courts against the ATF and had numerous experts proving his stock was a bump fire mechanism. In the end, he lost everything and the stocks were deemed illegal.

 

...If they were even $150 I'd have one and have fun with it until the ATF bans them, but at $350, no way.

[Tenn. Outrider, SASS #2353]

On a different note...where in god's name did this chick get her training...if any.....One of the first rules of safety...don't shoot into water....When I was a youngster I was fishing at the local lake. There was a guy standing about 50 feet away from me also fishing...all of a sudden he started screaming and holding his leg...some idiot on the other side of the lake shot a .22 into the water...guess what it landed in the guy's leg...

[Three Foot Johnson]

It's AKINS, people, not ATKINS. The AKINS Accelerator, invented by BILL AKINS.

[Manatee]

To bring a dose of reality back into this. .223 ammo is around $0.35 per round. A joyous outing shooting 600 rounds will set you back $210.00, not to mention the fuel to get to the range.

Edited March 6, 2012 by Manatee

[Utah Bob #35998]

On a different note...where in god's name did this chick get her training...if any.....One of the first rules of safety...don't shoot into water....When I was a youngster I was fishing at the local lake. There was a guy standing about 50 feet away from me also fishing...all of a sudden he started screaming and holding his leg...some idiot on the other side of the lake shot a .22 into the water...guess what it landed in the guy's leg...

 

Note her t shirt.

 

 

I'm just sayin. :lol:

[Sixgun Shorty, SASS #35717 Life]

Right. Except 'bump fire' uses the recoil motion to crash the trigger into your static finger to 'pull' the trigger.

 

The Akins Accelerator used the same technology, albeit it had a spring in the stock, it still was a bump fire stock. -It too, was 'ATF' approved. UNTIL they changed their minds!!! Mr. Akins took his case all the way in the courts against the ATF and had numerous experts proving his stock was a bump fire mechanism. In the end, he lost everything and the stocks were deemed illegal.

 

...If they were even $150 I'd have one and have fun with it until the ATF bans them, but at $350, no way.

 

You do have alternatives: You can buy an M 16 for $18,000...or a Slide Fire for $350! Do the math!

The Akins device was a totally different animal from the Slide Fire as it was a modification to the trigger group and had moving parts and springs..No question about it being a modification to the action and trigger and did convert the firing mechanism making it illegal.

The Slide Fire is totally different .Bump firing has been around since the advent of semi auto rifles and pistols.Both can be bump fired, but with no accuracy and only from the hip for the most part.Slide fire is bump firing that allows precision shooting either in bump fire mode or lock the stock for conventional semi auto use.

[Wrangler Jones, SASS # 64178]

To bring a dose of reality back into this. .223 ammo is around $0.35 per round. A joyous outing shooting 600 rounds will set you back $210.00, not to mention the fuel to get to the range.

 

That was my thought as I saw that guy empty a 30-round mag in about 5 seconds. That's one way to go broke in a hurry!

[Wrangler Jones, SASS # 64178]

Note her t shirt.

 

 

I'm just sayin. :lol:

 

Over yonder in Looosiana, there don't appear to be many places you can shoot & NOT hit water.