Madd Mike #8595 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Madd Mike: Spinning yer guns is dangerous. Shooting both pistols at the same time is not. There's a difference. & I am not asking not to be penalized. I'm being playful & accepting a penalty as the cost of being playful. I don't think there's harm in doing that. If there is, please explain it to me. --Dawg If I shoot my total pistol string then spin my (pistols) guns back into the holster, with hammers down that would be cool-safe-and still breaking the rules I am talking bout breaking rules, and I used spinning to prove a point of looking really cool if gunfighters can break the rules just to look cool than that aint right and I am a gunfighter we open a bucket of worms, it we just enforce the RULES WE want 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Madd Mike: Spinning yer guns is dangerous. Shooting both pistols at the same time is not. If there is, please explain it to me. --Dawg how about squibs? during the (two shots done at once) pistol shooting string? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Folks, Bottom line for me is, intentionally breaking rules is not becoming behavior. A progressive penalty is mild punishment for something like that. I think it should be a SOG, two of which is a MDQ. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missouri Marshal SASS #50682 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 We have the rule. We have the penalty. We just need to make sure that they are fairly and consistantly enforced. Nuf said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 We have the rule. We have the penalty. We just need to make sure that they are fairly and consistantly enforced. Nuf said. Do ya think that will ever happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Do ya think that will ever happen? 100% of the time, no, 98% of the time, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Folks, Bottom line for me is, intentionally breaking rules is not becoming behavior.Regards, Allie Mo yUp that was what my last letter to the editor, was meaning ta say by using Spirit of the Game as a base line thanks Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck D. Law, SASS #62183 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Quite a few more ways to screw up it sounds like...guess I will stick with pounding round balls into black powder. Firing both pistols together to make ten shots sound like five takes practice. You (or nobody else for that matter) is going to accidentally do this. Don't let this nonsense hold you up from shooting gunfighter and enjoying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Firing both pistols together to make ten shots sound like five takes practice. You (or nobody else for that matter) is going to accidentally do this. Don't let this nonsense hold you up from shooting gunfighter and enjoying it. so are you saying? dont follow the current rules unless you practice----breaking them ? yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Gunslinger Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 With regard to enforcing the rules selectively, if you wish to end up like IDPA go right ahead. The high ranking semi-auto shooters there all round dump to gain advantage and get away with it because the rule is neither well written or understood. Watch the YouTube videos where they break down the stages and tell how they make sure they get a hit...cough cough. The rule is written forbidding this action to facilitate scoring. IF it happens every once in a while it's accidental, but it's still a P just as an out of sequence shot would be and if it's repeated it should be an SOG. I liked the idea of the progressive penalty as it keeps folks on track and prevents that taking a hit each stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I believe what Buck is saying is that firing 10 rounds and making it sound like 5 has to be deliberate - so against the rules. His second comment relates to folks that have been discouraged by this thread from trying gunfighter - and enjoy it according to the rules. Do you agree, Buck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I believe what Buck is saying is that firing 10 rounds and making it sound like 5 has to be deliberate - so against the rules. His second comment relates to folks that have been discouraged by this thread from trying gunfighter - and enjoy it according to the rules. Do you agree, Buck? well then lets agree to disagree Gun Fighter is not for the average shooter when counters and ro's experience "new" gunfighters, they treat them fairly they are going to explain, what they did wrong, not hang them gunfighters that break the rules, and accept the current penalties without arguement, thats another story gunfighters that break the rules, just to be cool, well then where do we start and stop with all of the current rules why not break them all....................in the name of I am just having fun I am just look really hollywood I am just old I am just tired I am just ???????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 A man walks into a room, some of the people in the room suspect he is a fool, he opens his mouth and all doubt is eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck D. Law, SASS #62183 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I believe what Buck is saying is that firing 10 rounds and making it sound like 5 has to be deliberate - so against the rules. His second comment relates to folks that have been discouraged by this thread from trying gunfighter - and enjoy it according to the rules. Do you agree, Buck? Marauder, you get an A+ in reading comprehension. Shooting ten and making it sound like five is clearly against the rules and I fully support playing by the rules. To do otherwise should incur a penalty. I will say that if someone wants to play around, shoot ten and make it sound like five, I'd appreciate it if they'd go ahead and call the penalty on themselves (as some have indicated that they do.) By doing so, it avoids someone like myself from appearing to be "the bad guy" by calling the penalty. Failure to call the penalty is simply not fair to those who are playing by the rules. Yes, Jake, it looks cool. Call your penalty and I'll grin with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Folks, Bottom line for me is, intentionally breaking rules is not becoming behavior. A progressive penalty is mild punishment for something like that. I think it should be a SOG, two of which is a MDQ. Regards, Allie Mo It already is a progressive penalty: once is a "P", twice is a SDQ, 3 is a MDQ. It's shooting out of category. Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, I'm too tired to read the whole thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck D. Law, SASS #62183 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It already is a progressive penalty: once is a "P", twice is a SDQ, 3 is a MDQ. It's shooting out of category. Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, I'm too tired to read the whole thread. Shooting out of category? What category would they be shooting? Be advised that being tired from having too much fun at Winter Range will not be accepted as an excuse for not reading the entire thread. Take that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I, for one, wish everyone double taped. It's really aggravating to pick up a carton and have the contents fall out because the shipper failed to double tape. And, a word to the wise... it helps greatly if you offset the tape, helps spread the load out, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Marauder, you get an A+ in reading comprehension. Shooting ten and making it sound like five is clearly against the rules and I fully support playing by the rules. To do otherwise should incur a penalty. I will say that if someone wants to play around, shoot ten and make it sound like five, I'd appreciate it if they'd go ahead and call the penalty on themselves (as some have indicated that they do.) By doing so, it avoids someone like myself from appearing to be "the bad guy" by calling the penalty. Failure to call the penalty is simply not fair to those who are playing by the rules. Yes, Jake, it looks cool. Call your penalty and I'll grin with you. good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I, for one, wish everyone double taped. It's really aggravating to pick up a carton and have the contents fall out because the shipper failed to double tape. And, a word to the wise... it helps greatly if you offset the tape, helps spread the load out, so to speak. I been restraining meself fer days and here you come along and just couldn't resist, couldja?...HAR!! Like ole Phantom tole me oncet "well, spank me teacher". To the OP, we are just funnin' about but ya do gots ta have two p to be tapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It already is a progressive penalty: once is a "P", twice is a SDQ, 3 is a MDQ. It's shooting out of category. Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, I'm too tired to read the whole thread. Yes Darlin', We know that. Buck, good unofficial idea for doing the right thing when intentionally breaking the rules! Regards, Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Angus McPherson Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It is not physiologically possible to fire both of the revolvers at the precise exact time, even if the firearms were perfect, exact clones - which is also not possible with any mechanical device. No call ! That's a BS arguement or, maybe more correctly, a CS arguement. I've heard it before and I'm sure I'll hear it again. Doesn't make it any more legit. 'tis all. bye Angus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Lone Dog, We know you're a better man than I. Took me that long to think up an analogy that fit {sorta}! That's a BS arguement or, maybe more correctly, a CS arguement. I've heard it before and I'm sure I'll hear it again. Doesn't make it any more legit.'tis all. bye Angus Methinks you're using unecessarily harsh language on the opposition. There's a whopping big difference between "precisely" simultaneous, and "very nearly so." In any case, you're confusing this to some shooting sport that paints each target after each shooter. In which case, I'd tend to agree it oughta be allowed. But, we don't, with ya. But in reality, once 4 or 5 have dinged up the mornin's fresh paint, without a slight separation between "dings" you're gonna get all kinds of calls. Didja know that "Gunfighter" wasn't an official category until 1998? Even tho' we'd been using 2 sixguns since abt 1994. Duelist wasn't recognized until 1993. There were a WHOLE lotta folks flat opposed to allowing ANY single-handed shootin'! I would think that you wouldn't want to rile those folks up. 'Sides, shootin' both pistols simutaneously, (oor very nearly so), ain't "cool", nor is it necessarily difficult to occasionally pull off. It's simply a crutch for those what can't walk & chew gum at the same time. Kinda like they're sayin', "WOW, look at me, I'm shootin' gunfighter!" Even tho' they're thinkin', "...sure hope nobody notices I ain't cooridnated enough to alternate my shots and develop a steady rythym!" Think along the lines of, "...white men can't dance." We know that ain't exactly so... but it's the rare jasper that can make it look easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Texas Jack Black Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Read the SPIRIT OF THE GAME and then decide where you fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 "With regard to enforcing the rules selectively, if you wish to end up like IDPA go right ahead. The high ranking semi-auto shooters there all round dump to gain advantage and get away with it because the rule is neither well written or understood." You think that the high ranking IDPA shooters always fire 4 or 5 extra shots after the typical 6 shots per target array, for a better reload, and that they are the top finishers? That would be the same as saying that the top SASS shooters will shoot very fast, with a bunch of misses, but they are so fast that they will still win the match. The top finishers at even a big match will often have no misses or maybe 1 or 2. There is round dumping in IDPA, but the best shooters aren't regularly firing a bunch of extra shots and winning because of it. Smokin Gator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Yes Darlin', We know that. Allie :wub: She called me Darlin'! I'm not taking a bath for a week.... oh, wait... it's been a week already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Why, Griffster, whatever do you mean? Everyone that knows us both surely agrees I couldn't carry your water. As evidence, I was biting my tongue for so long mainly because I have been castigated so severely in the past for pointing out spelling errors, but also because I couldn't come up with a good humorous analogy. Humorous analogy makes one immune to castigation. Then you come up with a beaut of an analogy about double taping boxes. Utah Bob is expecially adroit at this and with an abundance of humor. It's the humorous aspect that keeps castigation away from you two. The best I could think up in relation to the original post is something along the lines that a double taping gunfighter would be able to video both sides of a man on man shoot-off by rolling tape with a vid camera in each hand. Double tapping double taping gunfighter vid cam dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Gunslinger Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Smokin Gator, It's not four or five extra shots. It's the one that gets them to slide lock for that sweet reload before the next array of targets. I'm not giving names but think ESP and SSP. These two guys are very good and they break down the stages magnificently, but they do dump rounds to gain the edge. They exploit the vague definition of round dumping. All he has to say if called on it is that he'd called a down one. If you've ever run .20 splits you know that you can call a miss at that speed and we're entitled to make up a bad shot on vickers stages. No call, but it was awfully fortunate. It's not the best example, but it's a definite divisive issue. With regard to the double tapping gunfighter, it's awful hard to wiggle outta that one. If he's double cocking he's aware of the risk of simultaneous discharge. The rules say not to shoot both at the same time so let's not bother trying to skirt it. As to how serious folks want to be about it, if they are letting folks shoot non SASS categories that match, why not let them play two shots at a time also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partner Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I've enjoyed the contents of this topic. Early in the thread it was suggested that reviewing the timer string would/might indicate how many shots were fired. Finally got out to the range yesterday to check out my timer. My timer sensitivity is set in the middle.. Tried shooting simo five times(two shots each time). Timer recorded six of the ten shots. Has anyone else checked out there timer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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