Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Few years back primers were at a shortage.. I myself reload 38's rifle and pistols I had in the past always used Winchester Small pistol primers.. I know some on ya swear at them .. but I've never had a problem.. not one missfire in probably 4-5 years.. Shortage hit.. couldn't gettem' anyplace... all were hard to get.. I found and I bought some CCI... started having missfires.. Posts on the wire said CCI's at that time were the hardest material...Federals were the softest (easiest fired).. They are all plentiful in our area now.. My Question?? If you could only buy & only use one primer.. with all the choices that are available.. BUT.. that's the only primer you could use (no other).. Which primer would you put all your faith in to make your purchase? Rance Just wonderin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelve mile REB Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 1. Federal 2. Winchester 3. CCI 4. All others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Federal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Federal for my CAS tricked out guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 No winchester for me. I prefer federals, but my guns WILL pop CCIs if I have to use em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Sgt. Jake McCandless #3368 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Federal ! Winchesters are the same as no primers to me. Adios Sgt. Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I've had good luck with Winchesters, had some magtech that I had a couple of bad ones in my guns, and about 10 in ammo I gave to another shooter, I felt bad about that, but I was shooting from the same batch that day and all mine went bang, I suspect his rifle was the problem there, at least to some extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pit Bull Tex Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I use fed. mag small primers in my 38s and win. in my shotshells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Howdy, Federal. I also had misfire issues in my handguns. I'm using the last of them in our 45 ACP practice ammo. Nawlins Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastmaster Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I had in the past always used Winchester Small pistol primers.. I know some on ya swear at them .. but I've never had a problem.. not one missfire in probably 4-5 years.. With that long run success story, If I were you, I would stick with Winchester primers. My Question?? Which primer would you put all your faith in to make your purchase? To answer your question,,,,,Federal mag primer Rance Just wonderin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Willy Dunkum, SASS # 61027 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Federal. No doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Bob Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Remington and Winchesters......I never see Federals available when I need them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckaroo #13080 Regulator Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Federal. Failure to fire with the others is not a flaw. The reason is the hammers are to light to set off harder primers. All will function properly with factory hammer springs. That said, we use Federal because they fire well with lighter springs. They bring out the gamer in all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Federal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Frank Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I've used Winchester primers for years in my semi-auto handguns and have never had one failure to fire. That said, I use Federal primers in my cowboy guns for the added margin when using light hammer springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 +1 on the Federals...........CCI's are okay in a pinch but Winchesters are the only ones I've had problems with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dunn Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Federals only from now on, tried Winchester and had a few no-bangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Trampas, SASS # 55781 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I started out with Winchester and will stay with Winchester and no problems at all. I bought a bunch when Obama took office, prices went thru the roof then, not to low right now, but thinking of getting more just to have on hand just in case, will have to pay the higher price now, but oh well, will need them someday All for now JD Trampas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Federal Small Magnum Pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Federal Small Magnum Pistol +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Feds Rems Wins CCIs Foreign jobs GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 If I was buying now, CCIs. I am currently using a batch of ALCANs purchased from Ozark Monte when he was doing a "moving" sale. they work great. I bought a couple of thousand Winchester LP in the great primer crunch. Decapped all I had loaded and sold the rest. Hated them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Which primer would you put all your faith in to make your purchase? Rance, you do know that there are many brands of primers and none of theses companies are not out of business because their primers fail to ignite! Your question has been discussed a multitude of times on the Wire and the reason always seems to be folks are looking for the 'softest' primers So, pick one brand and Federal's are not the softest ones if that's where you trying to go... 22 Oct 2010 Test of My Primer Inventory Test Procedure: Using a Lee Hardness Tester that measures Brinell hardness, placed a new primer on a piece of steel. Held the indent ball on the primer for 30 seconds. Measurement is the diameter of the indent, smaller numbers indication harder brass Pistol Primers 0.32 – CCI 300 LP 0.38 – Federal GM150 Match LP 0.40 – Federal 155 LP Magnum 0.40 – Winchester WLP 0.42 – Federal 150 LP 0.42 - Federal 100 SP 0.44 – CCI 400 SP 0.48 – Remington 2 ½ LP Rifle Primers 0.26 – CCI BR-2 LR 0.28 – CCI 200 LR 0.32 – Federal 215 LR Magnum 0.34 – Remington 9 ½ LR Note: Rifle primers are harder than handgun primers! Lot Numbers were not recorded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio Brazos Kid Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 John Boy, Your chart is well taken and I'm sure well intended. However, it hasn't proven to be the absolute in real life. I have had FTF problems with Winchesters and Remingtons, and have never liked CCI's for other reasons, which I won't go into at this time. I have been a lifetime shooter, so have used about everything that was ever available to a reloader. When I started CAS shooting, being fully aware of lightened hammer springs etc., I turned to Federal Primers in everything. Pistols, Rifle, and Shotgun. I am happy to report that I have NEVER had a FTF with these primers. Recommendation, Use Federals and don't look back. They work every time, regardless of lightened hammer springs. In the case of shotshells, the very hot Federal 209A's do a great job of giving positive ignition to the reduced powder loads we use in low recoil shot shells. Cheers, RBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams 3674 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Rance, you do know that there are many brands of primers and none of theses companies are not out of business because their primers fail to ignite! Your question has been discussed a multitude of times on the Wire and the reason always seems to be folks are looking for the 'softest' primers So, pick one brand and Federal's are not the softest ones if that's where you trying to go... 22 Oct 2010 Test of My Primer Inventory Test Procedure: Using a Lee Hardness Tester that measures Brinell hardness, placed a new primer on a piece of steel. Held the indent ball on the primer for 30 seconds. Measurement is the diameter of the indent, smaller numbers indication harder brass Pistol Primers 0.32 – CCI 300 LP 0.38 – Federal GM150 Match LP 0.40 – Federal 155 LP Magnum 0.40 – Winchester WLP 0.42 – Federal 150 LP 0.42 - Federal 100 SP 0.44 – CCI 400 SP 0.48 – Remington 2 ½ LP Rifle Primers 0.26 – CCI BR-2 LR 0.28 – CCI 200 LR 0.32 – Federal 215 LR Magnum 0.34 – Remington 9 ½ LR Note: Rifle primers are harder than handgun primers! Lot Numbers were not recorded Very instructive! Thanks, John Boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tommy Reb Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Many have indicated a preference for Federal primers. Me too until awhile back I started having misfire with Federal large pistol standard primers. Firing pin strikes looked good. Got to looking and discovered about 20% of the primers had no priming compound at all. Contacted Federal and sent them some examples to examine. Sure enough, they agreed, "no priming compound". Now anybody can have a quality control problem once in awhile but what upset me was that Federal would not replace those faulty primers. This was during the height of the primer shortage and, even though they agreed the primers were faulty, they would not replace them saying they needed all their production. So, no more Federals for me. I now use CCI's. They are widely available and work every time in my CAS guns, rifles and pistols, all with lightened hammer springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Tom Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Rance. Like many others, I have used Winchester for many years and have fired thousands of rounds. I have never had a single problem. I have also used CCI with no problems. So, I guess to answer your question, I would stick with Winchester. Irish Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Buckhorn,SASS 51727 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Howdy Rance I got some special sure fire primers I am sending you for free! But only for matches that you shoot when I am there. I, no-no, I mean you will really like them. They produce less powder fouling and that makes it easier to clean your guns. And I know how much you like clean and shinny guns. Marlin PS: Don't let Lacey use them, she don't need any help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Many have indicated a preference for Federal primers. Me too until awhile back I started having misfire with Federal large pistol standard primers. Firing pin strikes looked good. Got to looking and discovered about 20% of the primers had no priming compound at all. Contacted Federal and sent them some examples to examine. Sure enough, they agreed, "no priming compound". Now anybody can have a quality control problem once in awhile but what upset me was that Federal would not replace those faulty primers. This was during the height of the primer shortage and, even though they agreed the primers were faulty, they would not replace them saying they needed all their production. So, no more Federals for me. I now use CCI's. They are widely available and work every time in my CAS guns, rifles and pistols, all with lightened hammer springs. I also got a batch of Feds without any compound, they were purchased in the so-called primer shortage. They're all good when they work, and bad when they don't. Now I inspect all my primers for compound before I place them in the press, especially before a big match. Inspect them all! LL' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Smokepole #29248L Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I would almost bet my pension that since both Federal and CCI are owned by the same parent company, ATK, that they are now made on the same product line and just packaged seperately. I have found current CCI primers to be much softer than CCI of old and the new Federals are harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Many thousands of winchester in my highpower days also lots of pistol. My fav primers. Forced to fed and cci during shortage. No problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 1. Federal 2. Winchester 3. CCI 4. All others 12 What he said Regards Gateway Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Matt McCord, SASS #24683 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Winchester, hands down. Never had a problem with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Whiskers Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Sgt Smokepole is right on the money.CCI is now producing Federal Primers.I use primarily Federal because that's what I was able to get when the shortage was rampant.Have around 30,000 of them in Small Pistol,SP magnum and SP match.Also have about 7000 Winchester in both small and Large Pistol.I've used both and have had no-fires with both.Steered away from CCI's because the word at the time was they're too hard.Have a fellow shooter that uses CCI's all the time in LP and they always have worked for him.When these companies are running millions of primers at a time,there's bound to be some duds.I just hope that someone else gets them when that happens,but so far I've had my share.Have some Remington too,but haven't tried them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Rance, you do know that there are many brands of primers and none of theses companies are not out of business because their primers fail to ignite! Your question has been discussed a multitude of times on the Wire and the reason always seems to be folks are looking for the 'softest' primers So, pick one brand and Federal's are not the softest ones if that's where you trying to go... 22 Oct 2010 Test of My Primer Inventory Test Procedure: Using a Lee Hardness Tester that measures Brinell hardness, placed a new primer on a piece of steel. Held the indent ball on the primer for 30 seconds. Measurement is the diameter of the indent, smaller numbers indication harder brass Pistol Primers 0.32 – CCI 300 LP 0.38 – Federal GM150 Match LP 0.40 – Federal 155 LP Magnum 0.40 – Winchester WLP 0.42 – Federal 150 LP 0.42 - Federal 100 SP 0.44 – CCI 400 SP 0.48 – Remington 2 ½ LP Rifle Primers 0.26 – CCI BR-2 LR 0.28 – CCI 200 LR 0.32 – Federal 215 LR Magnum 0.34 – Remington 9 ½ LR Note: Rifle primers are harder than handgun primers! Lot Numbers were not recorded Please explain the physics of why a softer metal case equates to primers that go off with less energy in the firing pin hits? I have a couple of guns that will not set off anything reliably except Federals no matter what the metal hardness is. At the peak of the primer shortage I tried CCI, Remington, Winchester and Federals. None worked every single time but Federals. My conclusion is that metal harness is not the total story. Must have something to do with what is inside the primers also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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