Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 ~ yeah yeah, this is the Wire Saloon and I know there will differing views... but I say (per the story's content) that he should be given leniency and the charges dropped. http://www.foxnews.c...stake-attorney/ GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 You know their thinking Gunner - New York City is such a safe place nobody needs guns to protect themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker, SASS #55963 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Unfortunately, He will most likely have the book thrown at him. NYC has no respect for 2nd Amendment. And in a way that is not dissimilar to the transgressions of the "Stupid, Stupid" thread NYC laws are well known and the horrors of same are well documented for all to see. (I doubt that each Marine reads the UCMJ). I am skeptical that the NYC courts will accept a, "I didn't know defense". IIRC the NRA has a web page that tells about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 but I say (per the story's content) that he should be given leniency and the charges dropped. GG ~ Why should he deserve special treatment? He probably knew it was illegal to be there with a handgun in the first place. Hate to see stuff like this happen, but laws are what they are, even tho we don't agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 If he knew it was illegal I really doubt he would have tried to check it in with Security. Better to just keep it on his person and hope nobody saw it. Pretty sure the penalty would have been the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I don't know how anyone with a ccw permit could make the mistake. There's plenty of info available when you get your license in any state. Pretty big screw up. They'll probably go easy on him due to the adverse publicity that would be generated if they slammed him. Wait and see I reckon. Yup. Pretty big screw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Smokepole #29248L Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I don't know how anyone with a ccw permit could make the mistake. There's plenty of info available when you get your license in any state. Pretty big screw up. They'll probably go easy on him due to the adverse publicity that would be generated if they slammed him. Wait and see I reckon. Yup. Pretty big screw up. Don't bet the farm on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Why should he deserve special treatment? He probably knew it was illegal to be there with a handgun in the first place. Hate to see stuff like this happen, but laws are what they are, even tho we don't agree with them. It's not special treatment - if the story is accurate it was a honest mistake - he checked in his firearm. All I hope is it works out him for the better... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 - if the story is accurate it was a honest mistake - he checked in his firearm... GG ~ More like a stoopid mistake carrying it there in the first place, he should have known better. Any updates on this as it happened in September? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 More like a stoopid mistake carrying it there in the first place, he should have known better. Any updates on this as it happened in September? Whatever....even 'stoopid' gets a break in awhile.... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Quentin Quale, Esq. SASS 9953 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 The guy's not some gang banger or drug lord or a punk out to stick up a local bodega. This we know. He is a Marine. Marines know that when they err they get to man up and accept the consequences of their error. If I was prosecuting I recommend dismissal of the case upon forfeiture of the weapon, court costs, and a world class butt chewing. He appears to be an Active Duty Marine (although that might not be the case; the article is unclear on that). If he is Active Duty I would certainly do the above, secure in the knowledge that a second, and maybe even a third, world class butt chewing awaited him when he got back home. If he's not Active Duty I'd still do it, but probably add some community service to conditions of dismissal. If he's Active Duty he could also well face disciplinary action upon return to his unit. This guy doesn't deserve a criminal conviction for what he did. He does deserve to be hit (figuratively) between the eyes with a 2x4 so we get his attention and show him why he should not do this again. SQQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 He was discharged in 2005. So, he WAS a Marine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I've heard it said before................................................. There's the U.S.A.................................... Then there Pres Bloomberg and the nation of NYC !! :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Scatterbrain Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Box his ears and send him on his way. Were I the offender, I'd suggest they ban me from the city. Gee, that'd be terrible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 He was discharged in 2005. So, he WAS a Marine. No - I understand that once you are a Marine your always a Marine GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 No - I understand that once you are a Marine your always a Marine Only in their own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I don't know how anyone with a ccw permit could make the mistake. There's plenty of info available when you get your license in any state. Pretty big screw up. They'll probably go easy on him due to the adverse publicity that would be generated if they slammed him. Wait and see I reckon. Yup. Pretty big screw up. I'm with UB. You have to be pretty dense not to know what carry laws are in each state. They are readily available on the Internet. CA, IL, MA, CT, NJ, MD, DE, DC, and NY are notorious.for their intolerance. I would never carry there, but then again, I would not visit any of those areas except CA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Scatterbrain Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'm with UB. You have to be pretty dense not to know what carry laws are in each state. They are readily available on the Internet. CA, IL, MA, CT, NJ, MD, DE, DC, and NY are notorious.for their intolerance. I would never carry there, but then again, I would not visit any of those areas except CA. Yeah, how can you know... well, ANYTHING about guns and not know NYC is not gun-friendly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 First off, he's a FORMER Marine. He's been out for 6+ years. He is NOT in the Marines now! He had a CCW. How in the heck could he NOT KNOW, NYC laws. He's going to pay a long hard price for STUPID on this. Respectfully, LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEAD BANE, SASS 70197 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Biggest mistake he made was going to a shithole like new york. On the list to never visit along with new jersey california illinois washington dc and the list is growing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Only in their own mind. No - it's something you wouldn't understand...because you don't have the respect for them. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubborn Dutchman, SASS # 61363 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Yeah, how can you know... well, ANYTHING about guns and not know NYC is not gun-friendly? Yea, New York doesn't recognize any other state CCW permit. Also Upstate NY permit holders, are NOT ALLOWED to carry or posess a handgun in NYC or Long Island. We upstaters are only useful for our water and tax money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Windshadow Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 it has been this way for a very long time when I was a kid in the 50s a friend of my Dad's ran afoul of the Sullivan Law as I think it was then called when a hotel maid found a pistol in his suitcase (what she was doing rummaging about in said suitcase was never explained) he was just spending the night his ship having just gotten in prior to taking a train to his home in the midwest somewhere and pistol had been a gift from a fellow professor in England.... (As best I can recall he lost the gun an got a whopping big fine of $500 as well as the expense of staying in NYC for 2 weeks while the whole mess was sorted out. NYC has been gun unfriendly for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Biggest mistake he made was going to a shithole like new york. On the list to never visit along with new jersey california illinois washington dc and the list is growing! GOOD Stay in your cave LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 No - it's something you wouldn't understand...because you don't have the respect for them. GG ~ And, just how would have knowledge of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 And, just how would have knowledge of this? It's not hard to figure out GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's not hard to figure out GG ~ Tell me what ya figgered out then, if it was that easy. In fact what I understand and have respect for is my business. Show me where I stated I have no respet for any particular person or get off my back, How's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Tell me what ya figgered out then, if it was that easy. In fact what I understand and have respect for is my business. Show me where I stated I have no respet for any particular person or get off my back, How's that. Toooooo easy have a nice day.... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 No - it's something you wouldn't understand...because you don't have the respect for them. GG ~ Sorry I wore Army green and I feel that we were every bit as good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Sorry I wore Army green and I feel that we were every bit as good Absolutely All equal in this civilians eyes....now between y'all armed forces that's another matter GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Biggest mistake he made was going to a shithole like new york. On the list to never visit along with new jersey california illinois washington dc and the list is growing! I've been to those places. They may have Draconian gun laws but I'd hardly call them sh**holes. And the biggest mistake he made was in not knowing about those Draconian gun laws. I can think of a couple of places overseas I've visited that were definitely in that category though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Guy carries a piece in NYC and gets arrested when he hands to security. Was in the Marine Corps a few years back. Not much of a story. If you find yourself there with a pistol, you'd better keep it hidden or ditch it; "forgot" or "didn't know"-- they've heard that before, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Nathan C. Riddles, SASS # 7462 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I went back and read the entire article for the second time and nowhere does it say that Jerome had an Indiana concealed carry license. The last sentence of the second paragraph states that the gun was legally registered in his home state. That's it. There are a great many people that never read a newspaper, magazine or watch TV news or listen to it on the radio. So it's possible that he is totally ignorant of any other state gun laws. I have a Texas concealed handgun license and Texas has reciprocity with 38 other states. My wife has a sister that lives in Michigan and we travel there every couple years. Before I got my license I checked all the states I could travel through en route to see if they honored my license. Since Illinois doesn't honor any chl I avoid it and Ohio (which doesn't have reciprocity with Tx) like the plague. If my gun isn't welcome neither am I nor any money I might spend (gas, motel, food, sight seeing) along the way. If you're going to carry a gun while travelling you sure better know the laws of the states you're travelling through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEAD BANE, SASS 70197 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I went back and read the entire article for the second time and nowhere does it say that Jerome had an Indiana concealed carry license. The last sentence of the second paragraph states that the gun was legally registered in his home state. That's it. There are a great many people that never read a newspaper, magazine or watch TV news or listen to it on the radio. So it's possible that he is totally ignorant of any other state gun laws. I have a Texas concealed handgun license and Texas has reciprocity with 38 other states. My wife has a sister that lives in Michigan and we travel there every couple years. Before I got my license I checked all the states I could travel through en route to see if they honored my license. Since Illinois doesn't honor any chl I avoid it and Ohio (which doesn't have reciprocity with Tx) like the plague. If my gun isn't welcome neither am I nor any money I might spend (gas, motel, food, sight seeing) along the way. If you're going to carry a gun while travelling you sure better know the laws of the states you're travelling through. Hey, you can hang out in my cave. At least until these places allow us to carry and Nevada becomes ocean front property! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spur Strap SASS # 57161 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I for one hope the charges are dropped and he takes it all the way to the supreme court where that make a ruling that according to the 2nd amendment all citizens have the right to carry anywhere any time. If this man got arrested for standing on the corner telling everyone wall street needs to be shut down there would be 50 different groups yelling they violated his 1stway amendment rights. Instead he is getting slammed and called stupid. I think he deserves a little more support than he's getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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