Bottom Dealin Mike, SASS #22273 Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 Recently someone posted this on Reddit about one of my videos: "Mike Beliveau (who made the video) is a professional gun writer and has what is likely the best collection of gun videos on youtube, but he gets hardly any views." So I'd like to know what the heck I'm doing wrong...strong criticism will be accepted without whining (at least none that will be audible here on the wire... ) Thanks BDM
Guest Tennessee Stud, SASS# 43634 Life Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 What are you doin' wrong? NOT A G D THANG! As far as I'm concerned... your videos are great... highly instructional... and visual (which is a hell-of-a-lot of difference than the "printed-word"... As far as the Wire goes... there's some a$$hole men-folks you couldn't pre-pay a thousand-dollar-a-night whore for... all night long... and please 'em. ts
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 What are you doin' wrong? NOT A G D THANG! As far as I'm concerned... your videos are great... highly instructional... and visual (which is a hell-of-a-lot of difference than the "printed-word"... As far as the Wire goes... there's some a$hole men-folks you couldn't pre-pay a thousand-dollar-a-night whore for... all night long... and please 'em. ts I reckon I will ditto what he says Do you also post them at CAS City BDM GG ~
Baddog Nobiscuit #46532 Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 There isn't anything wrong with your videos. Most of us just already know everything! You should see my impressive collection of "participant" trophys! Heh. Best wishes. BN
DocWard Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 For starters, the fact that I didn't know about them. I need to look for them. Any links?
Nasty Newt # 7365 Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 I guess the youtube crowd doesn't give a rip. But I like them.
evil dogooder Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 I like your videos I watch them all. The only thing I could think of is maybe try different targets. Change them up a bit instead of always just a steel plate. Maybe some reactionary targets for some ooohhh factor. Or shoot fast to make a big cloud of smoke you can wade through grinning like a mad man Your videos are very good at explaining the guns and you definitely show your knowledge but they don't show how much fun guns are to shoot. I know you want to show safe gun handling, but you can be safe and have fun at the same time. Just a word of caution don't shoot a van with 16 lbs of tannerite strapped to three gallons of diesel on the inside. Way cool mushroom cloud but the atf frowns upon it! Try something small or a pop bottle. Maybe something that causes a chain reaction. One of my favorites is hitting a nail that drops a knife which cracks an egg into a frying pan. You can do your finishing remarks while eating an egg Just my thoughts though hope I didnt hurt any feelings Respectfully Evil Dogooder
Bottom Dealin Mike, SASS #22273 Posted December 16, 2011 Author Posted December 16, 2011 Doc Ward, if you do a search on "Video" here on the wire, several of mine will come up. Or go to youtube and search duelist1954, my channel will come up. To all of you, I appreciate the kind words. Just can't understand why so few people watch them, compared to say Hickok45's videos. Not to disparage Hickok45. I watch his videos myself and I really like them. He deserves his success. But after almost a year at this, I'd have expected my videos to be getting more views on YouTube. Not sure why they don't. I agree with the idea of more fun targets. I'll try to think of some that won't get me thrown out of my gun clubs. I've been toying with the idea of bear hunting with a .45-70 using teddy bears as the targets...
Virgil Ray Hality, SASS# 37355 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Hi Mike, I'll convey what I think with respect, albeit blunt sounding at times. Also, If you want to know how I know what I am going to write, send me a PM with your number and I will call you tell you who I am and what I do for a living around social media marketing. For the advice.... 1) you are asking the wrong question, Mike. Look at it differently. Getting very low number of views means the word is not getting out. That is a different issue than getting a critique from a viewer. I would agree that if the video was great, then people might tell other people. However, it has to be relevant to a huge number of people in order to go virual. Make it relevant to as many people as you can. If you had a high rate of viewship, you would get lots of like-dislikes comments to help giude your content. More on this in a bit. First start with asking "how do I get more people to find my videos?" Well, examine how people find videos on youtube, or whereever you post them. They use search words right? Think about what other people (not you) would use as search words to find what you are offering to convey. For example, would Henry Rifle be a better search argument than 1866 Henry? Probably. To know for sure, use Google to search on individual words and see how many hits you get with the similar kinds of content. Then adjust your description. By all means, don't get arrogant with your technical knowledge and prowess. The correct term may be "Uberti 1866 Henry Sporting Rifle", but you are not attracting experts such as yourself. Keep it simple and use terms that others would use to find the kind of content you offer. This is very much what professional marketers do in the real world. Target the biggest group pf people you ca think of. The only other way to get the word out is to get the link to as many shooting web sites as is possible. Make a list. Post it everywhere you can. Make it easy, perhaps start with a web site of your own that has all the links back to YouTube and also has the right search words. 2) For video content, to me its pretty good. Some of the video is shaky. Some of the video is off center. Sometimes the sound is not good. All of these imperfections subtract from the viewer's experience. Reshoot the sceene and edit out the bad stuff and edit in the good re-takes. "Okay" video editing software is readily available on any PC with Microsoft Wndows. Learn it and use it. You needto make the video audio and visual astetics as appealing as possible.
Guest Tennessee Stud, SASS# 43634 Life Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Doc Ward, if you do a search on "Video" here on the wire, several of mine will come up. Or go to youtube and search duelist1954, my channel will come up. To all of you, I appreciate the kind words. Just can't understand why so few people watch them, compared to say Hickok45's videos. Not to disparage Hickok45. I watch his videos myself and I really like them. He deserves his success. But after almost a year at this, I'd have expected my videos to be getting more views on YouTube. Not sure why they don't. I agree with the idea of more fun targets. I'll try to think of some that won't get me thrown out of my gun clubs. I've been toying with the idea of bear hunting with a .45-70 using teddy bears as the targets... Don't worry 'bout "views"... you can pick up momentum over time... and it is quality of "views" that matter. Hickok45 has got gang-bangers watchin' his crap.... However... Hickok45 gets "hits" cause his name starts with "Hickok"... and that ol' boy ain't never shot cowboy... as far as I'm concerned. Kinda like the cover of western-fiction novel... the best-lookin'un... normally gets bought. Just my opine... if ya ask me. ts
LEAD BANE, SASS 70197 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 TS is right its the quality not quanity. If one person with half a brain and the desire to learn something watches its better than a million idiots. Most who watch youtube vids want to be entertained, not informed. Ive watched some of hickok45 stuff and im not that impressed. If you want to appeal to the youtube crowd your gonna want to stick with modern semi autos and large volume of fire, they really dont care if your hitting anything. If you want to remain respectable, continue the way you are.
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Don't worry 'bout "views"... you can pick up momentum over time... and it is quality of "views" that matter. Hickok45 has got gang-bangers watchin' his crap.... However... Hickok45 gets "hits" cause his name starts with "Hickok"... and that ol' boy ain't never shot cowboy... as far as I'm concerned. Kinda like the cover of western-fiction novel... the best-lookin'un... normally gets bought. Just my opine... if ya ask me. ts I'm gona 'ditto' what TS stated. Sometimes, its in the name and or title of the video. Its just the way it is sometimes. Example: video is for Cowboy X shooting his Colt SAA. Nobody views it. BUT, if the title says: 'Cowboy X and Deuce shooting Colt SAA', then ALOT of hits are gona happen. Thats just my take on it. It works the same in most Pro sports also. Name recognition. Alot of folks won't pay $10 for a ring side seat to see the Doom Brothers wrestle down at the local armory. BUT, folks will pay $50 to sit way up on the top tier at the coliseum when Hulk Hogan comes to town. NAME recognition. Deuce did a short video this past year on techniques in loading and shooting the SxS in CAS. It was a hit. Folks recognize the name and alot of folks have seen, met and shot with him that they recognize his efforts. Same with Badlands Bud, Lead Dispenser, Evil Roy and Holy Terror. Anyhow, keep pluggin. If you enjoy it and its helpin someone, its worth it. ..........Widder
Ranger Sgt. Jake McCandless #3368 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Don't worry 'bout "views"... you can pick up momentum over time... and it is quality of "views" that matter. Hickok45 has got gang-bangers watchin' his crap.... However... Hickok45 gets "hits" cause his name starts with "Hickok"... and that ol' boy ain't never shot cowboy... as far as I'm concerned. Kinda like the cover of western-fiction novel... the best-lookin'un... normally gets bought. Just my opine... if ya ask me. ts Says he shoots black powder duelist Ah but who knows. I much prefer Mike's videos Sgt.Jake
Willy B.SASS#26902 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Howdy BDM I've watched a couple of your video's and found the content to be very good, The only problem I have is the length of the video's I don't always have fifteen or twenty minutes to sit and watch one, If it's five minutes or less I'll more than likely watch it, If its ten minutes maybe I'll look at it, Longer than that I would have to be very interested in the subject to view it. Willy B'
Scout Sonnor Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I'm another one that just didn't know about them. But...I do now.
Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I did not watch the whole video on the Henry. I was expecting some shooting and I believe it was about 10 minutes into the video. The UTUBE crowd wants a quick movie, not a history lesson. They want action. Think of video A.D.D. With the length and lack of action I believe you will have a smaller viewing audience. What I did watch was well put together. Just my 2 cents.
Long Juan #84671 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Mike, I will second those who say there's not one darn thing wrong with your videos. I watch and enjoy each and every one. Have watched several more than once. My answer to the suggestion that they need to be quicker is simply to question what is your target audience. I for one like the history most and keep watching the shooting just for grins. I would watch more for the history than the shooting. That said, I suspect my grandson, who also shoots CAS would go right to the shooting and skip the history if he could. My vote is just to keep doing what you do. I love it!!
Deacon Henry, SASS #53503L Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 You are doing fine. Nice to learn about the firearm and then seeing it perform. What you do is real. Regards, Deacon Henry
The Eastwood Kid Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Mike, I think your videos are fantastic. At the same time, I'm also shocked (like you) at how few responses you get when you put up a vid. I've watched some of Hickok's stuff and I usually only last about 3 mins before I turn it off. No offense against Hickok but I don't feel like I ever learn anything from his vids. On the other hand, I've looked up and watched each and every one of your vids all the way through (and that's somewhere around 30 vids if I'm correct). And this is from someone who has little to no free time....but I make time for your vids because I enjoy 'em that much. I hope you keep doin' what your doin'. I wouldn't change a thing. So to answer your question of what are you doing wrong - nothing. And to answer your other question of why you aren't getting more of a response - I have no idea. I can only guess its the same reason why some great shows don't get many viewers but shows like Jersey Shore are a big hit.
DocWard Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Doc Ward, if you do a search on "Video" here on the wire, several of mine will come up. Or go to youtube and search duelist1954, my channel will come up. I'll let ya know
Texas Lizard Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Recently someone posted this on Reddit about one of my videos: "Mike Beliveau (who made the video) is a professional gun writer and has what is likely the best collection of gun videos on youtube, but he gets hardly any views." So I'd like to know what the heck I'm doing wrong...strong criticism will be accepted without whining (at least none that will be audible here on the wire... ) Thanks BDM No fine looking ladies...Other than that nothing...They look good to me and are very informing... Texas Lizard
Grizzly Adams 3674 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Howdy BDM I've watched a couple of your video's and found the content to be very good, The only problem I have is the length of the video's I don't always have fifteen or twenty minutes to sit and watch one, If it's five minutes or less I'll more than likely watch it, If its ten minutes maybe I'll look at it, Longer than that I would have to be very interested in the subject to view it. Willy B' I did not watch the whole video on the Henry. I was expecting some shooting and I believe it was about 10 minutes into the video. The UTUBE crowd wants a quick movie, not a history lesson. They want action. Think of video A.D.D. With the length and lack of action I believe you will have a smaller viewing audience. What I did watch was well put together. Just my 2 cents. +1 The youtube crowd wants action, not history. Give them what they want, or live with less hits. My son's an artist. Complains all the time about how folks don't want art, just bling. My response is "those who live to please, must please to live." As for me; I like you videos just as they as. But I ain't the average youtuber!
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Well I guess fer me I've never watched one of your U tube videos...sorry I don't go much to U tube.. If a link is placed on the wire with a topic/subject that sounds interesting and I like the topic.. I'll click on that link and go there... If it doesn't keep my attention... I leave.. Kinda like Widder stated.. Deuce has name recognition... I've watched his video on the SxS.. He had a link in his post that took me there.. I saved it to my favorites.. I watch it a lot.. Why? that's one video that's useful to me.. He's (Deuce) has placed other video's on here... with a link If the title/subject doesn't interest me I usually won't watch it.. If an unknown has a post that I read.. has a link to a video Utube... and it's interesting to me.. I might click on the link and watch it.. And if your lookin' fer comments on your video Utube show.... I never leave a comment on utube.. as you can see.. I'll leave one here on the wire.. Rance Thinkin' I'm among friends here ... don't know about Utube My tinfoil hat is under the bed
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 TL hit it on the nail head. If ye want more views on Boob Tube ye are gonna have to keep yer old un-photogenic self behind the camera and enlist some overly buxom scantily-clad babette to do the shooting. Now ye are a fine specimen like myself but like myself but U-tubers don't wanta see us ole fat ugly as a mud fence guys. They just don't. The U-tube audience is just not interested about a history lecture and boring shooting of old guns. Not ever gonna happen. We here on this forum enjoy your vids but we are mostly GOFWG like you. Oh yeah yer model/shootist-ess needs to be blowing up cantalopes or some such, if ya want more views on boobie toobie. If you don't want enlist a model and blow up cantalopes, then we here are your only target audience and you will never get that big an audience over there. Just the way of the world in these un-enlightened-descending-into-barbarism/anarchy days.
Grizzly Dave Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 What are you doing wrong? Depends on what you are trying to do. If you are trying to share good information and entertaining video with folks who already have some interest in your topics, I'd say you are doing a good job. Getting the word out more would likely generate more hits. And as someone else said putting more keywords in might help them to show up on more searches. If you are just out to see how many hits you can get, half nekkid wimmins shootin guns, or folks doing stupid stuff seem to get a lot of hits, and I guess that can translate into cash if you link ads to the vids or whatever. My youtube channel was invited to do just that, but I declined, I put them up there for fun, and for folks to enjoy, not to make a couple extra bucks, not that I couldn't use a couple extra bucks LOL. I don't get a ton of hits, but when folks I've never met come up to me at matches and tell me how much they enjoy watching the vids, that makes it worthwhile for me. Grizz
St. Louis Suomi SASS #31905 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Howdy: I have watched everyone of the videos, more than once. I enjoy the history of the gun, the good points, weak points, and I enjoy the bad guys view of the shooting. I think you are stuck with a limited audience of a particular interest group. As has been said before, gals in bikinis shooting full auto Thompson sub machine guns at cantaloupes will garner a bigger audience (of a much baser nature). So, if you want to show us neat black powder firearms and how they work and give us the history of the firearm, you are doing that and I would rate you a BIG A+. If, on-the-other-hand, you are trying to appeal to my animal instinct and base nature, sorry D-. I rather prefer the higher road of intellectual pursuit stimulation - keep up the good work and I, for one, will be looking for more neat videos showing neat old firearms - JMHO. For the base crowd, possibly every tenth video a streaker in the background would up the view hits. :-) STL Suomi
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 As Captain Kirk would tell Scotty when they were in a jam "links, I need more links! Well not exactly. Most of the time when I use youtube to get information about a specific topic. For example I been researching information on converting a Saiga carbine to AK style. I found the information I wanted by using links on other websites. Frankly I do not know what the real purpose of youtube is so I don't know if it would be worth it to purchase space on oher websites to post links to your videos.
Red Rider Rudy Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 What are you doing wrong? Depends on what you are trying to do. If you are trying to share good information and entertaining video with folks who already have some interest in your topics, I'd say you are doing a good job. Getting the word out more would likely generate more hits. And as someone else said putting more keywords in might help them to show up on more searches. If you are just out to see how many hits you can get, half nekkid wimmins shootin guns, or folks doing stupid stuff seem to get a lot of hits, and I guess that can translate into cash if you link ads to the vids or whatever. My youtube channel was invited to do just that, but I declined, I put them up there for fun, and for folks to enjoy, not to make a couple extra bucks, not that I couldn't use a couple extra bucks LOL. I don't get a ton of hits, but when folks I've never met come up to me at matches and tell me how much they enjoy watching the vids, that makes it worthwhile for me. Grizz Grizz, I watch all the videos you post! Thats what makes you a better shooter. I have learned a lot by watching everyones vids! Watching Deuce and his Pards makes me want to go shot at there club sometime. Videos of Club shoots will help get more folks in the Game! Everyone keep posting Vids, Enjoy them All!!!!!!! R.R.R. P.S. Mike keep doing what your doing!!!!!!!!
DocWard Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Well, I watched about the LeMat, then bookmarked your channel. A bit long as others have stated, but a good tutorial when you have the time.
Cholla Bob Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Like some others I was unaware of your vast selection of videos, I had watched your Blackpowder Shotshell videos and found them to be excellent. Now that I have found the others, I will definitely be checkin um out. +1 more on the bookmark
Come On Christmas Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I watched you Black Powder Shell Loading Video and thought it was great. Shameless
Pulp, SASS#28319 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I was gonna go with short attention span of the average youtube viewer, but got to thinkin', it counts as a watch whether or not you watch the whole thing. So I'd have to go with key words. You've seen some of my videos, but the one that has the most hits is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol6SQ6cNjf4 It surely lacks in quality and content, but I reckon the title is what gets folks to watch. Maybe another thing is the fact that youtube has a whole lot more to choose from than when I posted that video. Folks don't have enough time to wade through everything anymore. I will say that making the videos like yours is more difficult that it seems. I've been trying to do some with more detail and have crashed and burned so far.
Monco Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I've watched your vids Mike and think they were fine but in our current world, quality does not always equate to quantity. Texas Lizard & Lone Dog have what I think are great points about "Boobie Toobie". CAS shooters are probably not the largest demographic on the U-Tube scene not to mention the fact that most of the more typical Toobie viewers seem to like the 100 lb. hottie trying out an over loaded .500 S&W duelest style and having it fly out of her hand in the process. Seems that much of the time, high hit #'s on gun related vids might hinge on something like the Heather LaCroix style.....I must admit, I've enjoyed a few of Heather's vids meownself as well! I don't think I'd worry about it too much other than just putting the word out.....you're doin' great work!
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