Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I think it's cool!...hope they do well! http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=45§ion=products GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Hmmm one of these days I'm gonna break down and buy one of the black things. I haven't shot one in years because I personally prefer the tougher ak. Mossberg shotguns are tough as nails hopefully they bring that quality to the ar platform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Generally the only fault I have found with any of my 3 mossberg shotguns or the 308 bolt gun is they did not cost enough to have any snob appeal. Shoot where you point them and the rifle groups pretty well. I always liked the Black rifle only problems I ever had in 22 months RVN and subsquent 10 years as an infantry officer were magazine related. 20 rounder feed lips can spring leading to the really hard to fix double feed. Problem corrected with 30 round mag. Tab on back welded to lips. Took Ft Gordon Rifle match 2 years running with an Arms Room rifle that would shoot 2 min at 400 yards. 8 inch circle definately minute of chest. In my high power days a lot of my friends could shoot in the high 90s at 600 with an AR. Some even shot them in 1000 yard matches and did ok. Many with tricked out mouse guns could shoot in the high master range. That will never happen with the AK. Only AKs I ever fired used up about 8 inches at 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 How come nobody besides Saiga puts out copies of the AK!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 How come nobody besides Saiga puts out copies of the AK!!!! You mean no big manufacturer like Colt or S&W? Probably because there are so many affordable Aks on the market. The market for a super high quality Ak probably ids very small. I know I wouldn't buy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 You mean no big manufacturer like Colt or S&W? Probably because there are so many affordable Aks on the market. The market for a super high quality Ak probably ids very small. I know I wouldn't buy one. Bob bob Bob, putting High Quality and AK in the same sentence ??? The whole point of an AK is it's Not High Quality but WORKS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Bob bob Bob, putting High Quality and AK in the same sentence ??? The whole point of an AK is it's Not High Quality but WORKS!!! I know.I guess I misunderstood your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 notice they also have a 22lr black rifle. Cheapest one out there I believe. Hopefully the 223s are also economical. Notice they now have the 464 in 22lr but no pistol calibers yet. Anybody try either the Onyx or Silver Reserve doubles? They look like veritable wands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 How come nobody besides Saiga puts out copies of the AK!!!! There's lots of copies of the AK. One of the best, if not the best, is made right here in the USA by Arsenal. http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/home.php Very high quality, but not cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 In the end you get a semi auto 30 30 with a pointed bullet and too short of sight radius for serious shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throckmorton,23149 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I took a look at their .22 caliber AR look-alike it was very low quality,I hope the .223 vesion is a whole lot diffeent. btw,it says fixed stock,but it looks like an adj. stock.Bad idea if it's really fixed but looks adjustable,folks just won't like being 'fooled'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlicLee SASS #16638 Life Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Maybe the AK round isnt strong enough or accurate enough. Sort of like the M1 carbine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Arsenal makes the "Milled" receiver guns here, the rest of their line are Saiga conversions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I took a look at their .22 caliber AR look-alike it was very low quality,I hope the .223 vesion is a whole lot diffeent. btw,it says fixed stock,but it looks like an adj. stock.Bad idea if it's really fixed but looks adjustable,folks just won't like being 'fooled'. One version does have a fixed stock that looks like the adjustable stock. (maybe to be Cali-compliant or whatever, I dunno) Other versions have collapsible stocks. Too bad the 22lr is not up to snuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 My only issue with the Mossberg AR is a small one -- the company (probably as a per-unit cost saving measure) omits the dust cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 My only issue with the Mossberg AR is a small one -- the company (probably as a per-unit cost saving measure) omits the dust cover. Looks like the dust cover is there to me... http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/New/65015.jpg GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Looks like the dust cover is there to me... http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/New/65015.jpg GG ~ It's there on the tactical, not on the Hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 It's there on the tactical, not on the Hunter. ahhhh - well if you would have been more specific GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangfire SASS #24379 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 notice they also have a 22lr black rifle. Cheapest one out there I believe. Hopefully the 223s are also economical. Notice they now have the 464 in 22lr but no pistol calibers yet. Anybody try either the Onyx or Silver Reserve doubles? They look like veritable wands. Lone Dog I haven't tried eith but likely wouldn't as I prefer a straight "English" grip on my bird guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Cannot imagine an AR without the dust cover. That is virtually guarantying problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Cannot imagine an AR without the dust cover. That is virtually guarantying problems Duct tape... At least the 'tactical' models have the DC. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunblade SASS #10206 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Yawn. Wonder who will be next on the "me too" AR bandwagon. Henry? Why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Yawn all ya want...nothing wrong with more choices in the market...keeps the prices affordable. GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Rick Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Mossberg also recently signed Jerry Miculek. They are currently developing a factory 3-gun shotgun based on the Mossberg 930. Supposed to have one at the SHOT show with production starting sometime next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nubbins Colt #7802 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Hmmm one of these days I'm gonna break down and buy one of the black things. I haven't shot one in years because I personally prefer the tougher ak. Mossberg shotguns are tough as nails hopefully they bring that quality to the ar platform Yeah, I just did - it's being upgraded some from the basic model and will be very cool - and not all black, I have some parts in OD on there. I know the AK is tougher, etc - but my recent experiences shooting AKs were just, well, a big yawn, so although i always wanted one I switched to the AR instead. I didn't need it, hell, I have a 20 year old M1A that has never had a round through it (I'm lazy and I like cowboy guns and hunting guns and carry pistols more so I never dragged it out) but the AK, well, it looks like fun to me now, i sort of converted myself to it, so there you have it. As for quality AKs, someone mentioned Arsenal and, believe me, Red Jacket makes them as well, and Arsenal actually has one of Red Jacket's AKs in their stock - they did last time I looked, anyway. ***Nubbins*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Not long ago I bought an AR stripped lower and a set of internals for it. I need to buy a butt assembly. (RGuns has the stripped lowers for $65 if this sort of project interests you). My winter project this year is building the lower, but I'm having trouble finding the M16-A1 style butt assembly I want. Ultimately, I'll run several uppers on this in various calibers -- sort of a semi-auto TC Contender, but the first one I want to build is to duplicate the weight/shape of the M16A1 I carried in basic training 25 years ago. Then I think I'd like a second upper in .260. Beyond that, who knows? The .458 SOCOM looks fun, and I have a friend who has an AR in that caliber. The .30 Whisper would be neat, but I don't live in a silencer friendly state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Not long ago I bought an AR stripped lower and a set of internals for it. I need to buy a butt assembly. (RGuns has the stripped lowers for $65 if this sort of project interests you). My winter project this year is building the lower, but I'm having trouble finding the M16-A1 style butt assembly I want. Ultimately, I'll run several uppers on this in various calibers -- sort of a semi-auto TC Contender, but the first one I want to build is to duplicate the weight/shape of the M16A1 I carried in basic training 25 years ago. Then I think I'd like a second upper in .260. Beyond that, who knows? The .458 SOCOM looks fun, and I have a friend who has an AR in that caliber. The .30 Whisper would be neat, but I don't live in a silencer friendly state. Like this'n? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Yeah-- but I need all the internals, too, and the A-1 and A-2 buffer assemblies aren't interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Threads like this create psychological turmoil for me...I know ARs and 1911s are good guns, and as a shooting enthusiast I should be lusting after both. But I don't own either one, and just can't get excited about them. Maybe you guys can tell me how to overcome this glaring flaw in my character! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Threads like this create psychological turmoil for me...I know ARs and 1911s are good guns, and as a shooting enthusiast I should be lusting after both. But I don't own either one, and just can't get excited about them. Maybe you guys can tell me how to overcome this glaring flaw in my character! I've always wanted a good 1911, and I don't currently own one (a flaw I hope to remedy in the upcoming year). I'm with you on AR's -- yawn -- but the idea of building my own appealed to me (and I'm trying to put together a collection of the cartridge firing infantry rifles from the 1870s to the 1970s, in civilian legal shooting trim). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Threads like this create psychological turmoil for me...I know ARs and 1911s are good guns, and as a shooting enthusiast I should be lusting after both. But I don't own either one, and just can't get excited about them. Maybe you guys can tell me how to overcome this glaring flaw in my character! Just go get one. Like a fungus they tend to grow on you, and you may find they are as prolific as rabbits and tend to multiply in the Safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Yeah-- but I need all the internals, too, and the A-1 and A-2 buffer assemblies aren't interchangeable. I saw an A-1 buffer assembly advertised somewhere. If I recall it I'll send you a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I fired a M-16 enough in '69-'70 to last me a lifetime! Would have rather had what was being fired at me! Just have always liked BIG Bullets!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I saw an A-1 buffer assembly advertised somewhere. If I recall it I'll send you a link. I'd appreciate it. They were common as sand two years ago, and now I can't find one anywhere (unless I spend $700 for a complete parts kit, and I hope to have less than that in the finished rifle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Scatterbrain Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Yeah-- but I need all the internals, too, and the A-1 and A-2 buffer assemblies aren't interchangeable. Clarify. The buffer tubes are the same. The A2's longer stock necessitates a plastic spacer on the tail end of the tube, inside the stock. The buffers themselves are the same too, sort of. There are all different types of buffers with solid weights, shot weights, weights of different mass et cetera but their selection is not related to the A1/A2 stock differences. Collapsible stocks do take different buffers and tubes, and I think some aftermarket collapsible stocks take their own buffers/tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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