Quick Draw Granpaw #48525 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 INFORMATIONAL...LOOKING FOR CONFORMATION! Spoke to my FFL go to guy and he informed me that he was quitting due to the new requirements for FFL dealers. Here goes....Any pistol/revolver purchased from another state will require "original purchase paperwork" showing the price the seller paid. Then you would have that taxed at your states rate and added to the fees you already pay. INFORMATION AND CLARIFICATION (TRUE OR FALSE) WOULD BE APPRECIATED! My blood pressure is on hold! Happy trails Quick Draw Grandpaw 48525 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 How can the Fed enforce state tax laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I believe that is a state ruling. In some states now, I believe that has been a requirement for FFL holders to collect the sales taxes. Another way for the states to collect more cash to waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Draw Granpaw #48525 Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share Posted November 15, 2011 How can the Fed enforce state tax laws? That's a good question for witch I have no answer. QDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Wa example: http://dor.wa.gov/content/getaformorpublication/publicationbysubject/taxtopics/firearmtransfers.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 It's a Ca. thing. Includes ANY gun shipped here Cheers, LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiowa Kid, SASS #69870L Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 It's a Ca. thing. Includes ANY gun shipped here Cheers, LG WOW you have to be kidding, California is a Beautiful state my first kid was born, there but they are sure making life difficult on you gun owners and buyers, good luck. KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Nathan C. Riddles, SASS # 7462 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Tell your FFL to stay in business. He can tell the state of Ca. that the seller paid $5 bucks for the gun. What would the sales tax be on $5.00, about 40 cents? What's the dealer gonna do, call the seller a liar? All the FFLs in Ca ought to band together & make this backfire on the state. PS: Out of all the guns in my safe I'll bet I couldn't lay my hands on the original purchase paper work of more than 1 or two of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Tell your FFL to stay in business. He can tell the state of Ca. that the seller paid $5 bucks for the gun. What would the sales tax be on $5.00, about 40 cents? What's the dealer gonna do, call the seller a liar? All the FFLs in Ca ought to band together & make this backfire on the state. I believe that is called FRAUD. Add intrastate travel and guns, you just kicked it up to the "feds", you get the idea........ This tax thing here has been in place for years...It's just Ca. has started to enforce it hard in the last year or two. IT SUCKS..... Respectfully, LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Ca is certainly not the only state to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Draw Granpaw #48525 Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share Posted November 15, 2011 Wa example: http://dor.wa.gov/content/getaformorpublication/publicationbysubject/taxtopics/firearmtransfers.aspx Kid your a gentleman that's for sure! Thank you! QDG/Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Draw Granpaw #48525 Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share Posted November 15, 2011 I believe that is called FRAUD. Add intrastate travel and guns, you just kicked it up to the "feds", you get the idea........ This tax thing here has been in place for years...It's just Ca. has started to enforce it hard in the last year or two. IT SUCKS..... Respectfully, LG Lumpy, your right about the fraud, but it's the only way you can make yourself feel just a little more in control! I for one would never cheat on my taxes either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I would NEVER cheat on my taxes Now, Poker........Dat's somedangthing else alltogethernow Cheers, LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassalong Hopidy Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Among its other provisions, the Commerce Clause empowers Congress "to regulate commerce . . . among the several states . . . ." That power extends to state taxation. Exemplary are are several bills pending in Congress now that would authorize states to require that remote sellers (think Internet) collect sales tax from states into which they sell, even if the seller has no physical presence in that destination state. We may not like the result but the cowboy community continually pays respect to constitutional rights and this is one of the provisions we must respect as well. I don't know the provision in question, but Congress certainly has the power to subject FFL transfers to state taxes--leaving enforcement to the affected states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassalong Hopidy Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 type--should read "collect sales tax for states into which they sell" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Lefty Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 This is a California State requirement, the dealer who is completing the sale is considered the point of sale and are required to collect sales tax by the Board of Equalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Lefty Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Another option is for you to obtain property in Bullhead or Laughlin and become a dual resident -yes you can legally do that- and then buy your guns when you are residing over there, you can then register them with the state when you get back- if a handgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Lefty Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Tell your FFL to stay in business. He can tell the state of Ca. that the seller paid $5 bucks for the gun. What would the sales tax be on $5.00, about 40 cents? What's the dealer gonna do, call the seller a liar? All the FFLs in Ca ought to band together & make this backfire on the state. PS: Out of all the guns in my safe I'll bet I couldn't lay my hands on the original purchase paper work of more than 1 or two of em. If he does that the State will go "Sorry, retail price is $$$$ and that is the price that the tax is due upon. California tax laws are written in such a way as to insure that the Franchise Tax Board is able to collect every penny they are entitled to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Shorty, SASS #35717 Life Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 INFORMATIONAL...LOOKING FOR CONFORMATION! Spoke to my FFL go to guy and he informed me that he was quitting due to the new requirements for FFL dealers. Here goes....Any pistol/revolver purchased from another state will require "original purchase paperwork" showing the price the seller paid. Then you would have that taxed at your states rate and added to the fees you already pay. INFORMATION AND CLARIFICATION (TRUE OR FALSE) WOULD BE APPRECIATED! My blood pressure is on hold! Happy trails Quick Draw Grandpaw 48525 I'm an FFL and i have received nothing form the ATF to indicate this supposed new statute. Until the ATF sends me a notice it's just rumor as far as I am concerned.First I've heard of this and I speak to FFL's daily Similar suggested 'rules' of this nature have never been enacted and wre just in the rumor mill.I think the ATF has bigger fish to fry these days. I'll call ATF and find out though If true, I'd probably hang it up also That would be way too much like work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Draw Granpaw #48525 Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 I'm an FFL and i have received nothing form the ATF to indicate this supposed new statute. Until the ATF sends me a notice it's just rumor as far as I am concerned.First I've heard of this and I speak to FFL's daily Similar suggested 'rules' of this nature have never been enacted and wre just in the rumor mill.I think the ATF has bigger fish to fry these days. I'll call ATF and find out though If true, I'd probably hang it up also That would be way too much like work! Shorty, I thank you for the information and the offer to check it out. Happy trails QDG/Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I'm an FFL and i have received nothing form the ATF to indicate this supposed new statute. Until the ATF sends me a notice it's just rumor as far as I am concerned.First I've heard of this and I speak to FFL's daily Similar suggested 'rules' of this nature have never been enacted and wre just in the rumor mill.I think the ATF has bigger fish to fry these days. I'll call ATF and find out though If true, I'd probably hang it up also That would be way too much like work! This is a state sales tax issue and not an ATF issue but it sure effects FFLs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Granpaw, something screwy going on here, as you say you were told about "pistol/revolver" deals. If it were real, it would be about ALL guns, don't ya think? It's about collecting state taxes on internet sales, and someday it will happen. Really its no different that buying at your local store and paying taxes, just that we are used to screwing the states out of money by buying off the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Lizard Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 INFORMATIONAL...LOOKING FOR CONFORMATION! Spoke to my FFL go to guy and he informed me that he was quitting due to the new requirements for FFL dealers. Here goes....Any pistol/revolver purchased from another state will require "original purchase paperwork" showing the price the seller paid. Then you would have that taxed at your states rate and added to the fees you already pay. INFORMATION AND CLARIFICATION (TRUE OR FALSE) WOULD BE APPRECIATED! My blood pressure is on hold! Happy trails Quick Draw Grandpaw 48525 I saw the same letter at Cowboys and Indian Store...Jim called and after five number changes and talking with a lady it seems that this is not new...Its has been around for a while...The state just wants the money...And we get it in the end...Another back door way... Texas Lizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I saw the same letter at Cowboys and Indian Store...Jim called and after five number changes and talking with a lady it seems that this is not new...Its has been around for a while...The state just wants the money...And we get it in the end...Another back door way... Texas Lizard Interesting...you say you get it in the end...well have you ever thought about your local retailer that has to compete with online companies that can make sales without collecting sales tax? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Lizard Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Interesting...you say you get it in the end...well have you ever thought about your local retailer that has to compete with online companies that can make sales without collecting sales tax? No? This very true sir but if the tax has been around for quite awhile...Why now are they now enforcing it...There is the possibility that there could be some more coming down the line... Texas Lizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 This very true sir but if the tax has been around for quite awhile...Why now are they now enforcing it...There is the possibility that there could be some more coming down the line... Texas Lizard Oh...I don't know...perhaps the state gov is lacking a bit of money? They are trying to get Amazon to pony up...guess maybe they need to be more consistant...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Lizard Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Oh...I don't know...perhaps the state gov is lacking a bit of money? They are trying to get Amazon to pony up...guess maybe they need to be more consistant...? Lack or spend too much being consistant would be very nice...You lived here know how they think...If you can call it that... Texas Lizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Draw Granpaw #48525 Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 Granpaw, something screwy going on here, as you say you were told about "pistol/revolver" deals. If it were real, it would be about ALL guns, don't ya think? It's about collecting state taxes on internet sales, and someday it will happen. Really its no different that buying at your local store and paying taxes, just that we are used to screwing the states out of money by buying off the internet. You've got a good point there Jacknife! It feels better doing the screwing once in a while than getting screwed all the time! Happy trails QDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Say Grandpa, I don't know who you use, but Valley Gun just did a couple for me. They came from back east and there was no sales tax, although they did have to send their FFL info to the other FFL, but it was no problem. I think they do it by email. However, they charge $75 each with the DROS, but since no sales tax, I figure I came out ahead. Look for me trying out the FCGF class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Howdy, There is a line on the second page of CA tax form 540 where you enter the amount of tax due on mail order, internet and out of state purchases. I purchased a Ruger OMV off Gunbroker.com this year. The seller was an FFL in VA and the FFL that did the transfer here in CA did not collect sales tax. I will be entering the tax due when I file my 2011 tax forms. JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I am an FFL and I have never seen any info from the ATF regarding the collecting of state sales tax. I believe this is a state requirment for both California and Washington state. I say that because I just today sent a rifle to cal and the Cal FFL requested the invoice for tax purposes. Last month I sent one to Washington state and they to ask for the invoice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 This may have more to do with the states trying to collect taxes on all out-of-state Internet sales, not just guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall #2038 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I'm an FFL and i have received nothing form the ATF to indicate this supposed new statute. Until the ATF sends me a notice it's just rumor as far as I am concerned.First I've heard of this and I speak to FFL's daily Similar suggested 'rules' of this nature have never been enacted and wre just in the rumor mill.I think the ATF has bigger fish to fry these days. I'll call ATF and find out though If true, I'd probably hang it up also That would be way too much like work! Thanks Mr. Shorty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 This may have more to do with the states trying to collect taxes on all out-of-state Internet sales, not just guns. It's the trend now. Many states are attempting to pick up lost revenue from out of state internet and mail order sales. It involves billions of dollars so it's not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 It's the trend now. Many states are attempting to pick up lost revenue from out of state internet and mail order sales. It involves billions of dollars so it's not surprising. That's exactly what it is...think about it, sales are going on and neither the state where the sale occured nor the state where the consumer is located are collecting any revenue on that sale. And yes, Washington is collecting taxes on gun transfers too: Washington gun sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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