Guest Tommy Reb Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I would like to buy a Pioneer Arms coach shotgun with walnut stock. I am interested in the later versions with the closely spaced hammers. Please PM me with particulars. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Reb, I don't know if anyone has seen ANY Pioneer coach guns this year, let alone the newer version with the hammer change. I'd suggest you give Pioneer Gunworks in Oregon a call. Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Um, Pioneer Gunworks in Oregon doesn't have anything to do with that shotgun. You want Pioneer Guns of Vermont: http://www.pioneer-pac.com/ Pioneer Arms Corp. 25 Main Street, PO Box 815 North Bennington, VT 05257-0815 Phone: 309-226-4226 Toll free Fax: 800-496-6012 sales@pioneer-pac.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Give Sixgun Shorty shout. He can get you one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tommy Reb Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Thanks for the replys. Pioneer Gunworks sells the shotguns, but does not have any in stock. Pioneer Arms is the importer and they have none as well. They had told me they expected to receive guns by late October and I got on their "wish list" to be notified. Have not heard anything from them, and they will not respond to emails or phone calls. So, I am in the market for a used one. Tex, I will try to get in touch with Sixgun Shorty. Thanks for the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tommy Reb Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Sixgun Shorty, PM sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Thanks for the replys. Pioneer Gunworks sells the shotguns, but does not have any in stock. Huh, learn something new every day. I suppose if Will actually advertised them somewhere on his website, he might sell more of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Shorty, SASS #35717 Life Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 For the record, I do Not, and Have not carried the Pioneer SXS Coach Gun for at least 2 1/2 years if not more. Several reasons why i dropped them, but the quality of the gun wasn't one of the reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Hedley, Will took them off his web site because he couldn't get any to sell. When he can get guns again I imagine he'll advertise them again. Duh Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Trampas, SASS # 55781 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Sounds like the Pioneer coach gun is as hard to get as the TTN All for now JD Trampas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Shorty, SASS #35717 Life Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Sounds like the Pioneer coach gun is as hard to get as the TTN All for now JD Trampas Actually, it was harder to sell and justify the high cost of the inventory than it was to obtain inventory, at least in the beginning. Before Pioneer opened a US office, they were dealing through a 'Master Distributor' in the Midwest.Much easier to obtain their guns before they opened the US office.Don't ask me why, just a fact.Also, being a foreign company , Pioneer did not understand marketing in the US in general and CAS in particular..And they were not receptive to suggestions from those that knew better how to market in the US..Constant price increases, little if any media support,extremely high dealer pricing with little room for anything resembling 'normal' Dealer mark up,and no dealer support killed any legitimate business reason to continue carrying their line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Actually, it was harder to sell and justify the high cost of the inventory than it was to obtain inventory, at least in the beginning. Before Pioneer opened a US office, they were dealing through a 'Master Distributor' in the Midwest.Much easier to obtain their guns before they opened the US office.Don't ask me why, just a fact.Also, being a foreign company , Pioneer did not understand marketing in the US in general and CAS in particular..And they were not receptive to suggestions from those that knew better how to market in the US..Constant price increases, little if any media support,extremely high dealer pricing with little room for anything resembling 'normal' Dealer mark up,and no dealer support killed any legitimate business reason to continue carrying their line. Thanks for the info, Shorty. I didn't realize there were that many business problems with carrying those shotguns. Too bad. They looked like good guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Shorty, SASS #35717 Life Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Thanks for the info, Shorty. I didn't realize there were that many business problems with carrying those shotguns. Too bad. They looked like good guns. They were very good, utilitarian guns..nothing fancy,, totally unembellished, no engraving, no case hardening,plain walnut..just a bullet proof, well fitted hammered coach gun 18", that needed no gunsmithing to be CAS competitive..Very heavy though, over 71/2 lbs. Too bad the Polish manufacturer just couldn't understand American marketing and business practices, let alone the function and necessity of an FFL dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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