Tomboy Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Howdy, Website is interesting: http://www.deadwoodboys.org/ Apparently this is not SASS sponsored. It sure looks cool. Any of you guys shoot this? The targets are cowboy and you move w. weapon through a scenario. Is this like IDPA w. cowboy guns? Any info. or experience appreciated. Thanks, Tom Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 It's called Western 3 gun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Just wondering....is Quick Draw called Western 1 Gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Same same SASS except you move with loaded guns and get cash prizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Howdy, Website is interesting: http://www.deadwoodboys.org/ Apparently this is not SASS sponsored. It sure looks cool. Any of you guys shoot this? The targets are cowboy and you move w. weapon through a scenario. Is this like IDPA w. cowboy guns? Any info. or experience appreciated. Thanks, Tom Jr. Jack's right, it's W3G! I've shot the World Cup for 5 straight years...couldn't make it this year It's a lot like SASS except: 1. You can move and shoot...and contrary to what some may think, you ain't gunna be RUNNING and shooting. 2. You can stoke your 97 with 2 in the tube or you can put 2 in your SxS and keep the action open. 3. There are no set orders to how you engage the targets...ya figure out what works best for you. 4. Targets are painted after each shooter...no issues with miss counts 5. Each stage has 1 second bonuses on most of the targets. 6. VERY little running is ever done because when you are done with one gun you are pretty much at the location of your next gun...no sprint races!! Plum Creek will be doing a W3G Side Match in October at their annual match "Battle of Plum Creek". W3G is FUN!!!!!! W3G is Western!!!!! (ya gotta wear Cowboy clothes...just like SASS) Cheers!!! Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Phantom came up to the Bar 3 one time and set up a little Western 3 gun stage. We all tried it. It was fun. Have not heard anymore about it. But it was FUN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hey Phantom. That was fun. Wish we could do it again. Even if I was really bad at it. Fun is still fun. But know you are really busy with your new Gun Store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Never done this, but would like to. MT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattler Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 3. There are no set orders to how you engage the targets...ya figure out what works best for you. 4. Targets are painted after each shooter...no issues with miss counts Phantom, I REALLY like these two rules!! It does sound like a lot of fun....one of these days..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomboy Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Okay, okay got my d in my e. Sorry, anyhow, so there are no procedurals. Just shoot em as you see fit? Why doesn't SASS do this type of match? Just rearrange your regular steel and use barrels or something to hide them. -T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Okay, okay got my d in my e. Sorry, anyhow, so there are no procedurals. Just shoot em as you see fit? Why doesn't SASS do this type of match? Just rearrange your regular steel and use barrels or something to hide them. -T. Because SASS is SASS and W3G is W3G !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Okay, okay got my d in my e. Sorry, anyhow, so there are no procedurals. Just shoot em as you see fit? Why doesn't SASS do this type of match? Just rearrange your regular steel and use barrels or something to hide them. -T. Same reason that they don't run with the ball in soccer, it's a different game! Drifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJT Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Not so different really. You can shoot a 3Gun match using SASS rules without issues. You can use almost all of the 3gun innovations in SASS. The only exceptions are starting with 2 shells in the shotgun and moving with a cocked gun. There is nothing that would stop targets from being painted or from having a procedure that says shoot as targets appear in a SASS match. You can find more here . It is a variation of cowboy action shooting and is a great deal of fun. Cheers, BJT Same reason that they don't run with the ball in soccer, it's a different game! Drifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hi Tomboy, We had a club in my area. I really liked it. Variety is a good thing and it was enough different from SASS to provide some. It was enough like SASS to not ruin you for a SASS match. Alas, that club faded away. We now have a Wild Bunch match for variety. I like it too. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomboy Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Okay, can a SASS club put on a 3 gun match? -T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldust Dan, SASS #2631Life Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Okay, can a SASS club put on a 3 gun match? -T. There are no "SASS clubs." There are shooting clubs that host SASS matches. There are SASS-affiliated clubs, but there are no SASS clubs. Any shooting club can host a W3G match. That club just can't (shouldn't) advertize or present the W3G match as a "SASS Match." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattler Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Okay, can a SASS club put on a 3 gun match? -T. I think most of know what you meant, and the short answer is yes. A SASS affiliated club can put on a 3 gun match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrimstoneJerome Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 This looks awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawd Awful Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Okay, can a SASS club put on a 3 gun match? -T. The Orygun cowboys hold a SASS match every 3rd Sat and a W3G every 4th Sat. It gives shooters in the area a chance to shoot both styles and enjoy themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiowa Kid, SASS #69870L Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 The Orygun cowboys hold a SASS match every 3rd Sat and a W3G every 4th Sat. It gives shooters in the area a chance to shoot both styles and enjoy themselves. Do you use the same type of targets our are there diffrences, ie sizes, distance or anything else, besides the movement and target order. KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJT Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Last I heard, Oregon was using paper. The home club for the sport in LA uses normal to larger steel targets with center bonus zones, 1 second off the total time for a bonus hit. Distances are within what you might see at a SASS match on the close side of the median. The center bonus changes the game a little by rewarding center of mass hits (aka accuracy). Many of the targets employ a knockout for the center bonus which discourages loads from being wildly light. As much as many in SASS get their feathers ruffled by W3Gun, the game addresses many chronic complaints in SASS concerning movement, accuracy and ballistics without creating a game that old men are unable to play. Even if you plan to only put on SASS sanctioned matches, you might want to check out a W3G match. There may be ideas there you want to steal. Cheers, BJT Do you use the same type of targets our are there diffrences, ie sizes, distance or anything else, besides the movement and target order. KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Kid, SASS #54030 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I think I have W3G on my iPhone......... Seriously, this sounds like a lot of fun. Swiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiowa Kid, SASS #69870L Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Last I heard, Oregon was using paper. The home club for the sport in LA uses normal to larger steel targets with center bonus zones, 1 second off the total time for a bonus hit. Distances are within what you might see at a SASS match on the close side of the median. The center bonus changes the game a little by rewarding center of mass hits (aka accuracy). Many of the targets employ a knockout for the center bonus which discourages loads from being wildly light. As much as many in SASS get their feathers ruffled by W3Gun, the game addresses many chronic complaints in SASS concerning movement, accuracy and ballistics without creating a game that old men are unable to play. Even if you plan to only put on SASS sanctioned matches, you might want to check out a W3G match. There may be ideas there you want to steal. Cheers, BJT Thanks KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Enuff Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Paper? That must have been before my time. We've had special steel for W3G up here for years. Most W3G targets have some type of bonus involved, either with a white center overlay or a white knock out in the middle of the target. Knocking a faller down may also be a bonus. We do both SASS and W3G each month. Both are very popular with our shooters. These videos highlight the differences in the way a W3G stage is shot. One video from Deadwood in California, Badlands Bud being the typical alien: Another from Oregon Clay shooting gunfighter at our W3G annual: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrygunCowboys#p/c/082BE065942B5F2F/3/UwPURz_56m4'>http://www.youtube.com/user/OrygunCowboys#p/c/082BE065942B5F2F/3/UwPURz_56m4 Our youtube channel has a few more SASS and W3G photos and videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrygunCowboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJT Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Good to hear you got steel in the wild north! Cheers, BJT Paper? That must have been before my time. We've had special steel for W3G up here for years. Most W3G targets have some type of bonus involved, either with a white center overlay or a white knock out in the middle of the target. Knocking a faller down may also be a bonus. We do both SASS and W3G each month. Both are very popular with our shooters. These videos highlight the differences in the way a W3G stage is shot. One video from Deadwood in California, Badlands Bud being the typical alien: Another from Oregon Clay shooting gunfighter at our W3G annual: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrygunCowboys#p/c/082BE065942B5F2F/3/UwPURz_56m4'>http://www.youtube.com/user/OrygunCowboys#p/c/082BE065942B5F2F/3/UwPURz_56m4 Our youtube channel has a few more SASS and W3G photos and videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrygunCowboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomboy Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Love that rabbit, gotta do this soon! T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangler Jones, SASS # 64178 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I shot a couple-a W3G matches at the Deadwood club while I was out in California last year. Yes, it's fun! You may note in the video posted above that there are rails outlining a path. Shooter must stay within the rails (you'll have to ask a regular what the penalty for stepping outside the path is). There ain't no spotters. The scorekeeper walks the course after the shooter, counting the hit marks on the targets. It's a bit different on spectators, too, since the shooter tends to be out of sight around some corner for most of the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I think that the biggest factor limiting the spread of W3G is the cost of buying the number of targets with the knockout or overlay. You see very few complete misses with the shooters concentrating on hitting the center knockout or overlay. It's not the same when shooting cardboard targets. Depending on the stage design, some targets will be hidden from spectators but on the other hand they can see the knockouts go down when hit. I enjoy both SASS and W3G. Smokin Gator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Red OToole, #48939 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 You may note in the video posted above that there are rails outlining a path. Shooter must stay within the rails (you'll have to ask a regular what the penalty for stepping outside the path is). 30 seconds for every shot fired with a foot on the ground over the red rail. The severity of the penalty makes it very much incented for the shooter to not step over the rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Hi, New to this sport, just bought the rifle...this looks like a real challenge. I wondered why the SASS matches I have watched are static, no movement while shooting. Guess it's a safety thing. Okay, but shooting while moving is essential to real world discipline, it seems to me. And these days, real world is a definite factor in my shooting time. Is there a Wild Bunch variant of this...have had a .45 auto for years. SASS is fun; but this is a definite item on my shooting schedule. Anyhow, great to be here. Cowboy shooting is fun, but difficult. How come SASS doesn't do this? I don't know of any 3 Gun clubs in my area. God Bless, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Hi, New to this sport, just bought the rifle...this looks like a real challenge. I wondered why the SASS matches I have watched are static, no movement while shooting. Guess it's a safety thing. Okay, but shooting while moving is essential to real world discipline, it seems to me. And these days, real world is a definite factor in my shooting time. SASS is a fantisy game, it has nothing to do with "real world discipline" Is there a Wild Bunch variant of this...have had a .45 auto for years. SASS is fun; but this is a definite item on my shooting schedule. Yes there is, and it is gaining popularity. Here's their site:http://www.sassnet.com/wildbunch/forum/ Anyhow, great to be here. Cowboy shooting is fun, but difficult. How come SASS doesn't do this? I don't know of any 3 Gun clubs in my area. If you would fill out your profile, including location it would allow us to direct you towards a local club. SASS & W3G, different games, different rules. God Bless, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJT Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 W3G added a Wild Bunch type category this year. I shot with an entrant. He was smiling. Cheers, BJT Hi, New to this sport, just bought the rifle...this looks like a real challenge. I wondered why the SASS matches I have watched are static, no movement while shooting. Guess it's a safety thing. Okay, but shooting while moving is essential to real world discipline, it seems to me. And these days, real world is a definite factor in my shooting time. Is there a Wild Bunch variant of this...have had a .45 auto for years. SASS is fun; but this is a definite item on my shooting schedule. Anyhow, great to be here. Cowboy shooting is fun, but difficult. How come SASS doesn't do this? I don't know of any 3 Gun clubs in my area. God Bless, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Thanks, Bad Hand. Central Minnesota. -BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 BB, putting your location in a post is not enuff. The thread will eventually go away and folks will forget about it. You need to go back in and EDIT your profile. That way your location will be there for all to see forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I need to do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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