Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 For those of you who don't know (and probably don't care ) I'm moving home to Highland, IL on the 5th of Aug. Government moves aren't as easy as it may sound. There is a TON of paperwork and red tape at every turn. Household goods usually take about 60 days to get there and they have an opportunity to ship "Hold Baggage" (stuff that you urgently need to set up house) but that's taking 3-4 weeks to get there, so I've been advised that it would be wise just to mail the stuff ahead and Uncle Sam picks up the tab. Okay...to the crux of the story. I went to the Post Office today to mail IMPORTANT stuff back home so we can at least exist in our house before the fruniture arrives. I mailed the cowboy hats and belts and all the leather goods with no problem. I had 3,000 rounds of 130gr RNFP in one box (it was pretty durn heavy) and about 3,000 rounds of plain ol' spent brass that's been cleaned in another box. THEY WOULDN"T TAKE IT!!! "THEY"(USPS) blame it on US Customs and say that they'll send it back...it happpens all the time. Does it? Just exactly how many people are shipping lead ingots or spent brass back to the States? Somebody's jerkin' my chain! I explain to the USPS counter guy (a USAF Ssgt)that I ship and recieve this stuff all the time in the States but he stands by his story that Customs will reject it. BS!! I didn't even bother to get the Dillon 650 out of the car If I ever get a chance to slow down and look into this...I'm gonna jerk somebody else's chain pretty dern hard! How am I susposed to live without my reloading stuff?? Rant mode off I'm really looking forward to getting home Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Sounds like your rkant should be about the customs dept., not USPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Skinner Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Charlie, I got a couple old single stage presses and 38 Special dies you can borrow. Let me know if ya need them. Also have a bunch of 38 special brass you can borrow till you can get yours or buy some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Charlie, just settle down and have a cool one. I can fix you problem for you, but you will need to be calm. Just come on out here to the PNWet and Captain Jack and myself will load your booluts for you. You ken find the PNW, kan't ya? What caliber are you thunking and what size pill? No need to worry about primers, me and Jack don't use 'em. We can sit and tell lies while pulling on the Rockchucker and sipping imported bier. They will let you ship bier, won't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Sounds like your rkant should be about the customs dept., not USPS. Yeah...Well... read the title. It's both of their faults and it's because I spent an hour at the counter of the post office while he tried to figure it out. He never did give me a plausable explaination so I had to go to another post office and have a face to face with a supervisor. Believe me...after 30 years of flying, I've dealt with customs agents on a regular basis and there is nothing ileagle or restrictive about lead or brass. I'm pissed because if this kid IS right and that stuff keeps getting returned to sender, why haven't they looked into it or done anything about it? And second...He said that people try to send this stuff through the mail all the time....Really? I just find that a little hard to believe and I don't like the kid lieing to me just so he can place the blame on Customs. I thought the rant mode was off, but I guess I'll just put it on slow boil for a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Phil DeGrave SASS #55202 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Are you shipping bullets or FISHING LURES ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Charlie, I got a couple old single stage presses and 38 Special dies you can borrow. Let me know if ya need them. Also have a bunch of 38 special brass you can borrow till you can get yours or buy some. I can always count on friends! Thanks. CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Charlie, just settle down and have a cool one. I can fix you problem for you, but you will need to be calm. Just come on out here to the PNWet and Captain Jack and myself will load your booluts for you. You ken find the PNW, kan't ya? What caliber are you thunking and what size pill? No need to worry about primers, me and Jack don't use 'em. We can sit and tell lies while pulling on the Rockchucker and sipping imported bier. They will let you ship bier, won't they? You must be almost "The Godfather" 'cause that's almost an offer I can't refuse Sure sounds good to me CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Are you shipping bullets or FISHING LURES ?? Ya know? I almost did something like that and didn't so now I'm blaming myself for being so damn honest. I even took one of each item and showed them....Look! How harmless can they be? It's just lead in one box and brass in another box! I needed a space stuffer on top, so I threw in a gun cleaning kit...When they saw "gun" it went south in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashpowder Hal Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Here, inside da' USA, they only ask if'n it's "Hazardous or liquid", I jest say "No" and they don't need ta' know details of what I ship. Now Customs might have different rules, but should be written policy somewheres. Best of luck Pard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Here, inside da' USA, they only ask if'n it's "Hazardous or liquid", I jest say "No" and they don't need ta' know details of what I ship. Now Customs might have different rules, but should be written policy somewheres. Best of luck Pard Trust me...I asked for a copy of the Reg prohibiting the shipment and nobody has shown me one yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Gun Runner SASS 79775 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Coming back from Germany in '94 we got held up by Customs Office Fish and Wildlife officers. I had all the paperwork for the firearms and no one even wnated to look at it, but Customs went through every other thing we had, including my kids backpacks that were stuffed with toys, looking for the illegal wildlife I "must" have shot with all those mean old guns. The USPS kid was ignorant of the reason and should have just said that instead of BSing you on the fly, but I do believe if there was a problem there it was with customs. They don't dissallow it, they just keep sending it back and requesting more paperwork until you flat give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Coming back from Germany in '94 we got held up by Customs Office Fish and Wildlife officers. I had all the paperwork for the firearms and no one even wnated to look at it, but Customs went through every other thing we had, including my kids backpacks that were stuffed with toys, looking for the illegal wildlife I "must" have shot with all those mean old guns. The USPS kid was ignorant of the reason and should have just said that instead of BSing you on the fly, but I do believe if there was a problem there it was with customs. They don't dissallow it, they just keep sending it back and requesting more paperwork until you flat give up. I think you're absolutely correct, and if I get the time, that's where I'm gonna start, then I'm going back to USPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Justice Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The shipping of ammo components is directed by the State Department not US CBP. It is only enforced by US CBP and we enforce laws for over 70 different Federal agencies. You should never miss mark or mis-declare a packages content because if your "FISHING LURES" turn out to be brass or lead, they will not be returned to you. They WILL be seized and you will be penalized for a failure to declare the correct items. Keep being so damned honest, it is always the better choice in the long run. As a retired USAF MSgt (1977-1981, 1983-2001), current US CBP Officer and an avid shooter, I feel your pain. I ordered a new "Codymatic" and it took 6 extra weeks to get it because it was held up at US Customs waiting for the paperwork to clear. You can ship and recieve bullets and brass within the US and that is controlled by the USPS. Dakota Justice P.S. From one Vet to another, Thank you for your service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint McCloud 3103L Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Charlie... you know if you and Tammy need anything when you get home, you have but to ask and Ms. Maggie and I will do whatever we can to help... I'm just glad y'all are coming home... been WAY too long since we've shot together and had us a ceegar and a beverage... Vaya con Dios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Charlie... you know if you and Tammy need anything when you get home, you have but to ask and Ms. Maggie and I will do whatever we can to help... I'm just glad y'all are coming home... been WAY too long since we've shot together and had us a ceegar and a beverage... Vaya con Dios Thanks Flint. My friends mean a lot to me and we desparetly want to get back up up the PNW and shoot with all of our old friends...and we will eventually. If you guys get back anywhere near us...let me know and we'll make an effort to be there. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 The shipping of ammo components is directed by the State Department not US CBP. It is only enforced by US CBP and we enforce laws for over 70 different Federal agencies. You should never miss mark or mis-declare a packages content because if your "FISHING LURES" turn out to be brass or lead, they will not be returned to you. They WILL be seized and you will be penalized for a failure to declare the correct items. Keep being so damned honest, it is always the better choice in the long run. As a retired USAF MSgt (1977-1981, 1983-2001), current US CBP Officer and an avid shooter, I feel your pain. I ordered a new "Codymatic" and it took 6 extra weeks to get it because it was held up at US Customs waiting for the paperwork to clear. You can ship and recieve bullets and brass within the US and that is controlled by the USPS. Dakota Justice P.S. From one Vet to another, Thank you for your service! Thanks for the info. It's a very reasoned response from somebody that sounds like they know what they're talking about. NOW!...Can you direct me to any regulation that I can find online ? This is really starting to get under my skin. Stand by for an edited post... Okay...here's my question. Why was US Customs involved in an intrastate transfer? And why was your shipment delayed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Justice Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Charlie, Here is a bit of info on the brass and bullets. This is from the ATF but quotes the Dept of States ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulation 2010) munitions list. Look at the note under Catagory III-ammunitions. [Title 27, Volume 3][Revised as of April 1, 2010]From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access[CITE: 27CFR447.21] [Page 7-11] TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PART 447_IMPORTATION OF ARMS, AMMUNITION AND IMPLEMENTS OF WAR--Table of Contents Subpart C_The U.S. Munitions Import List Sec. 447.21 The U.S. Munitions Import List. The U.S. Munitions List compiled by the Department of State, Office of Defense Trade Controls, and published at 22 CFR 121.1, with the deletions indicated, has been adopted as an enumeration of the defense articles subject to controls under this part. The expurgated list, set out below, shall, for the purposes of this part, be known as the U.S. Munitions Import List: The U.S. Munitions Import List category i--firearms (a) Nonautomatic and semiautomatic firearms, to caliber .50 inclusive, combat shotguns, and shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches in length, and all components and parts for such firearms. ( Automatic firearms and all components and parts for such firearms to caliber .50 inclusive. © Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms of other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts for such firearms. (d) Firearms silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors. (e) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications and specifically designed or modified components therefor. [[Page 8]] Note: Rifles, carbines, revolvers, and pistols, to caliber .50 inclusive, combat shotguns, and shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches in length are included under Category I(a). Machineguns, submachineguns, machine pistols and fully automatic rifles to caliber .50 inclusive are included under Category I(. category ii--artillery projectors (a) Guns over caliber .50, howitzers, mortars, and recoiless rifles. ( Military flamethrowers and projectors. © Components, parts, accessories, and attachments for the articles in paragraphs (a) and ( of this category, including but not limited to mounts and carriages for these articles. category iii--ammunition (a) Ammunition for the arms in Categories I and II of this section. ( Components, parts, accessories, and attachments for articles in paragraph (a) of this category, including but not limited to cartridge cases, powder bags, bullets, jackets, cores, shells (excluding shotgun shells), projectiles, boosters, fuzes and components therefor, primers, and other detonating devices for such ammunition. © Ammunition belting and linking machines. (d) Ammunition manufacturing machines and ammunition loading machines (except handloading ones). Note: Cartridge and shell casings are included under Category III unless, prior to their importation, they have been rendered useless beyond the possibility of restoration for use as a cartridge or shell casing by means of heating, flame treatment, mangling, crushing, cutting, or popping. As for my cohorts in crime getting involved with my 1873, Cody was waiting for it to come into Taylor and Company, who gets their stuff from Uberti in Italy, and their shipment was stalled at Customs awaiting paperwork. After Cody (Don) finished it, he shipped it to my FFL guy without any problems. Dakota Justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Welcome home, even if a bit early on the wishes. You know how the CAS folks are. Folks will loan you what you need, so uncinch that nuclear wedgie and have a tall one... on Flint's tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Yeah, Charlie. I will even let you shoot my safe queen Rodeos. You are big enough to shoot a .45 ain'tcha? I sent you a PM, I hope you got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 ...I went to the Post Office today to mail IMPORTANT stuff back home so we can at least exist in our house before the fruniture arrives....I had 3,000 rounds of 130gr RNFP in one box (it was pretty durn heavy) and about 3,000 rounds of plain ol' spent brass that's been cleaned in another box. THEY WOULDN"T TAKE IT!!!... I don't understand? Bullet componets are required for you to live in your house? Most Cowpokes try to move out of those type of nieghborhoods! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Well, from a retired Sargent1stClass (E-7) to another vet, a heat felt Thank you ! Da wifey wants to retire to da PNW after her son lives in Tocoma, WA. He told her it almost nener snows der and da winter temp is a hard 50 degress. Man, did her eyes light up !! Now, do I understand right, US Costums will not let you ship lead ingots back to da world ? I know they will not alow brass in any usiable form. Nor any type of reloader. I've had many PCS moves in my time in service, so if you don't mind, I have some advice for you. Check the seal numbers on the moving boxes and write it on the shipping paperwork. And re-check them again when you got home. I am asumming they still use large wooden crates. I lost a "ShopMate". One of those wood working tools, that with a pull and a twist will change into another wood working tool. Had the recipet for it but the Army only gave me $500.00 for it. It cost me $3000.00 counting shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 Well, from a retired Sargent1stClass (E-7) to another vet, a heat felt Thank you ! Da wifey wants to retire to da PNW after her son lives in Tocoma, WA. He told her it almost nener snows der and da winter temp is a hard 50 degress. Man, did her eyes light up !! Now, do I understand right, US Costums will not let you ship lead ingots back to da world ? I know they will not alow brass in any usiable form. Nor any type of reloader. I've had many PCS moves in my time in service, so if you don't mind, I have some advice for you. Check the seal numbers on the moving boxes and write it on the shipping paperwork. And re-check them again when you got home. I am asumming they still use large wooden crates. I lost a "ShopMate". One of those wood working tools, that with a pull and a twist will change into another wood working tool. Had the recipet for it but the Army only gave me $500.00 for it. It cost me $3000.00 counting shipping. Well, thankfully, the government has gone to a full replacement value on lost items, so I'll wait and see what's missing on this shipment when we get home...It's always something. CC Well, T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 I probably have some spare 38's I can let you have. Just let me know. Russ Thanks Russ. As always, my cowboy friends offer me more than I need and I've got other friends offering to help but I just don't want to be a burden with all the matches that we want to attend. It just might have to be Ammo Direct for a couple of months before we get back to normal. Thanks, CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 Welcome home, even if a bit early on the wishes. You know how the CAS folks are. Folks will loan you what you need, so uncinch that nuclear wedgie and have a tall one... on Flint's tab. Thanks Okie. I didn't realize that I was THAT pissed over the situation, but the "nuclear wedgie" description is not only apt, but it's funny...amazing what a few tall ones and a good night's sleep will do for ya. CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Well, thankfully, the government has gone to a full replacement value on lost items, so I'll wait and see what's missing on this shipment when we get home...It's always something. CC Well, T Aint it da truth !!! Ifin' it aint one thin' it's a dadburn nother !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 As for my cohorts in crime getting involved with my 1873, Cody was waiting for it to come into Taylor and Company, who gets their stuff from Uberti in Italy, and their shipment was stalled at Customs awaiting paperwork. After Cody (Don) finished it, he shipped it to my FFL guy without any problems. Dakota Justice That's very interesting...and informative. Thanks for going to the trouble to provide it. I didn't think about your rifle coming in from Italy first. Ours just came from stock at Taylor's to Cody then to us. It's always something CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 I don't understand? Bullet componets are required for you to live in your house? Most Cowpokes try to move out of those type of nieghborhoods! Oh, absolutely! It gives me the QUALITY of life that I want to live CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Hey Charlie what part of Germany is Burchmuhlback in ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Thanks Russ. As always, my cowboy friends offer me more than I need and I've got other friends offering to help but I just don't want to be a burden with all the matches that we want to attend. It just might have to be Ammo Direct for a couple of months before we get back to normal.Thanks, CC Uhhhh....you might need to rethink that...... LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 Hey Charlie what part of Germany is Burchmuhlback in ?? Down near the French border very near the suthern city of Homburg but 20 kliks to Kaiserslautern. I work at Ramstein AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 Uhhhh....you might need to rethink that...... LL What am I missing? I thought that a lot of folks that don't reload buy from them. I've never bought from them. Is there a better company? CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rusty Bore SASS#22739 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Welcome home Charlie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Charlie, SASS # 48668L Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 Thanks Rusty. Hope to see you up at Monmoth soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Smokepole #29248L Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Charlie, are you coming to Monmouth for True Grit? If so, let me know what you're shooting and I will try to put a wish list together for you.... Things like caliber etc.... I have a lot of stuff for .38 Special and both large and small pistol primers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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