Ace_of_Hearts Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Cowboy rig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Draw Granpaw #48525 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I think I'd call Bob Mernickle @ 1.800.497.3166. I'll bet they would know. I'll just be it's legal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I don't see why not...looks uncomfortable! Plus it has the same problem a regular Buscadero rig would have if you had to start a stage sitting down because the holsters are tied down. If you have $1,100 go for it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Why wouldn't it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Very interesting. I know many cowboys that could sure use that so their belt would stay up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Why wouldn't it be legal. Have seen a shooter use it at a major match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 The rig is legal but DAMN, that's one UUUUUUUUUUGLY model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivory Jack, #8534 LTG Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Why wouldn't it be legal. Have seen a shooter use it at a major match Interesting. Just to be contrary...wouldn't the over the shoulder rigs consitute bandoliers? And with the holsters tied down to the shooter's legs, the bandoliers become illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaukValley Sam, SASS # 66557 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Interesting. Just to be contrary...wouldn't the over the shoulder rigs constitute bandoliers? And with the holsters tied down to the shooter's legs, the bandoliers become illegal. That's the way I would read it. You would have to leave the shell loops empty and use a separate ammo belt to be legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 It seems like it wouldn't be very stable either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Perfectly legal. Not a "Bandoleer." Poor choice of models though. I'd have preferred Raquel. Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I'd almost rather give up shooting than wear something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivory Jack, #8534 LTG Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Perfectly legal. Not a "Bandoleer." Poor choice of models though. I'd have preferred Raquel. Coffinmaker Howdy Coffinmaker, Okay, I'll bite. Why is it not a bandolier? (..."A belt fitted with small pockets or loops for carrying cartridges and worn across the chest.") It's not a shoulder holster (the holsters generally hang above the waist) It's not a gun belt (typically worn at or near the waist) Convince me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 OK Jack, Your definition answered your own question. A "Bandoleer" is by definition for ammunition only. "Generally hang above the waist" ...... Doesn't limit a shoulder holster to hang above the waist. "Typically worn at or near the waist" doesn't limit a gun belt to being warn there. Notice where a lot of our competitors wear their gun belt ....... at or on the butt A gun belt is intended to support a holster of some sort as is a shoulder holster. That they both may include cartridge loops doesn't make them bandoleers. Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I'm with Ivory Jack on this. Without a note from home (PWB) I would declare it illegal. If not, every Tom , Dick and Harry will be putting a holster on a traditional bandoleer, tying it down and loading from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 So if this rig would be considered illegal a whole lot of huckleberry rigs would be illegal also which they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubious Don #56333 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 So if this rig would be considered illegal a whole lot of huckleberry rigs would be illegal also which they are not. You forgot to add that if that Huckleberry rig had cartridge loops it becomes a bandoleer and would be double-illegal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I will edit my response to say that the rig itself is legal, but not to load from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubious Don #56333 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 So if I take my gunbelt and sling it off one shoulder it becomes a bandoleer and I can't load from it but hanging the gun from it is ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted June 26, 2011 Author Share Posted June 26, 2011 Shooter was DQ'd at End of Trail - "Illegal Rig". Details to follow tomorrow when the family gets back after EOT The shooter is upset after getting a blessing on it from Hip Shot and Mernickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Good, I won't have to copy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulshan 20262 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 So if I take my gunbelt and sling it off one shoulder it becomes a bandoleer and I can't load from it but hanging the gun from it is ok? You could load from it as long as it's not tied down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal barnes sass #5792 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I can't imagine the rig being comfortable to wear but I would be upset too if Hipshot blessed it and it was then declared illegal. It also wouldn't be the first time a vendor made and advertised something that would be deemed illegal for SASS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Shooter was DQ'd at End of Trail - "Illegal Rig". Details to follow tomorrow when the family gets back after EOT The shooter is upset after getting a blessing on it from Hip Shot and Mernickle. A blessing from Mernickle???? That would not mean much. Except for asking for a refund from him if he said it was legal and was not. Hip Shot?? Ya. I might be somewhat upset. But think before I spent that much, on something that might be looked at as illegal??? I would have got a ruling from the rules committee in writing to carry with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 While I admit that its'design might fill a need, I'll say my gut reaction is, "...where there is a loophole, someone will make something that fits thru it." I would also say that I would rule it illegal for Classic Cowboy. Appears to be of a buscadero design. And for those that say it "ain't a bandoleer," then it must be a belt. • Ammo belts must be worn so all ammo is positioned at or below the belly button. Those ammo loops then make it a "ammo/holster belt" worn over the shoulder. IMO, take off the ammo loops and wear a separate ammo belt at or below the belly button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 So if either the bullet loops, or the holster tie downs were removed, there would be no conflict with the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 So if either the bullet loops, or the holster tie downs were removed, there would be no conflict with the rules? Yes, IMHO. Or don't load from them. And as Griff points out may never be legal for certain categories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 The idea is to provide a means of carry for those who for whatever reason (surgery, etc) a belt at the waist is not possible. To say that a pard who is physically handicapped so that a standard belt is not an option cannot load from the loops and must wear a separate ammo belt around the waist defeats the purpose. SASS has always said that we will do whatever it takes for those physically challenged folks to be able to participate. I got no problem with this rig except for maybe CC and BW. In other categories, it certainly is not going to be any kind of an advantage. I can foresee the day when I might need a rig like this to continue to participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I'd almost rather give up shooting than wear something like that. I agree, it's legal but butt ugly and goofy lookin'! Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 The idea is to provide a means of carry for those who for whatever reason (surgery, etc) a belt at the waist is not possible. To say that a pard who is physically handicapped so that a standard belt is not an option cannot load from the loops and must wear a separate ammo belt around the waist defeats the purpose. @ ~$1100 I call that capitalizing on a pard's misfortune. Other considerations aside, yes... exceptions to the rules can be granted, that wasn't the question as presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Doggle Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 According to the mfg's add: "The Lightning Buck Rig is a very special and unique design. Shooters that have problems wearing any common belt around the waist line or hip bones will appreciate this one. Not to mention it just looks cool." If that is the intent, then where does this poor fellow carry his shotgun shells? All in all, that model does have a good looking hatband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Frankly, so long as reloads don't come from that rig, I don't see why it would be ruled illegal as a means to carry/draw/holster yer pistols. Interested in details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Griff, I'm sure a plain jane version would be much more affordable. Without all the spots, conchos, tooling, and fancy silver buckle set it shouldn't be much more than most other reg'lar rigs from big name leather providers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missouri Marshal SASS #50682 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I would call it illeagal. From the shooter's handbook, page 11; Bandoleers, cartridge belts, and pouches must be of traditional design. Nothing traditional about this rig no matter what you call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I would call it illeagal. From the shooter's handbook, page 11; Bandoleers, cartridge belts, and pouches must be of traditional design. Nothing traditional about this rig no matter what you call it. Well, that doesn't say anything about holsters and gun belts. As I said, I'm interested in more info as to why it was ruled illegal. I still think it's fine so long as reloads don't come from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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