Purly SASS # 57438 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 You are the TO, shooter comes to the line, you ask the shooter if he is ready. Shooter says yes. You ask shooter if he wants to put in their ear protection. The says no, he don't like to shoot with them in. Now what should you do, ask if they will put them in, or give them a standby and start the timer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0ckr0ach, SASS #26100 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Most Ranges require eye protection But recommend ear protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Buckshot, SASS #2901 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 That shooter will be sorry, I shot trap leauge for a few years long before hearing protection was common. I go in next week to be fitted for two hearing aids! Ned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOCBRAZOS, SASS#18033L Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Say again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Fernando Slim, SASS #20521 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 All the clubs I shoot at require eye AND ear protection. And yes I have hearing aids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I think that you have fullfilled your obligation by reminding the shooter. We're big boys and girls, and able to make uor own decisions, however wrong they may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Local club rules -- personally I think the club should require hearing protection, but if not, let the (soon to be deaf) shooter beware. On the other hand, if they're less than 40 and single, they'll be deaf from going to a dance club, if not from going to a gun club -- maybe it's a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 You are the TO, shooter comes to the line, you ask the shooter if he is ready. Shooter says yes. You ask shooter if he wants to put in their ear protection. The says no, he don't like to shoot with them in. Now what should you do, ask if they will put them in, or give them a standby and start the timer ? If they are adults, I'll ask them if they want to put them in.......if not, standby and the beep. If they are not adults, I'll tell them to put them in. Although I've never had a child/teenager refuse to wear ear protection, if they did I'd have to ask the parent(s) before letting them shoot. I've been shooting since I was 5 and in the construction field since I was 17. I never wore ear protection in construction until I was about 40 and used little protection when shooting until I was about 35. The constant ringing in my ears now and the hearing loss that I have sustained was completely avoidable. If I only had used preventative measures.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 People who refuse to wear hearing protection are either deaf or stupid. And you can't fix stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 You can't fix deaf either. You can help it a bit with hearing aids but once it's gone, it's gone. And yes, both of mine are turned up high right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Creek Red, SASS # 22854 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Purly. I understand that as an adult you can make your own decisions, however, I as a T/O will not start the timer unless the shooter puts in their hearing protection. A number of years ago I had a shooter come to the line without their hearing protection in, I asked them to put them in their ears, their reply was, but I am deaf. My reply (since I was the berm marshall at a state match) was if you do not put your hearing protection in, you do not shoot this stage. Like your vision, your hearing is far too important not to protect. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finagler 6853 Life Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Whaaaat? I can't hear you from all this ringing in my ears. Maybe we could all go in together and get a group discount on hearing aids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 People who refuse to wear hearing protection are either deaf or stupid. And you can't fix stupid. Like most of us I’m paying the price for all the youthful indiscretion surrounding neglecting hearing protection. We didn’t know what muffs were And ear plugs were for sissies, no mucho guy would be caught wearing them. Couple that with Uncle Sam’s insistence that I play with really big guns and conversations are very interesting around here. I wear custom molded ear plugs from the minute the line goes hot until I’m sure the last round is fired. On the target range I wear both the plugs and muffs, I even wear a pair of Walkers Game Ears when hunting. I intend to keep what little hearing I have left. I hate to call people names but anyone who doesn’t wear hearing protection is a fool, and as far as a child they would not be allowed to shoot without hearing protection no matter what the parent said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 People who refuse to wear hearing protection are either deaf or stupid. And you can't fix stupid. As my Drill Sergeant once told me, "Ignorance is curable, stupidity can be terminal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Pard, Ya can't fix stupid. Ignorance yes. Stupid no. Depends on which he/she is. Hubby thinks I'm deaf and I've always worn them. I think I have issues. Regards, Allie Mo Sheesh! Doc, I just saw your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korupt Karl Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 What! Speak up, I can't hear you..... kk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Hearing protection is highly recommended and eye protection is mandatory in and around theshooting areas. While small, period glasses look great, full protection, high impact glasses are strongly recommended. Such protection is recommended for everyone when in the range area, and eye protection is mandatory for spectators when within direct line of sight of steel targets. Howdy That's the rule. So according to SASS, ear protection ain't required. On the other hand, many clubs require both eye protection and ear protection. Local rules always over ride standard SASS rules in cases like this. So if the club says both are required, then it is mandatory. If not, you are making up your own rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shenny Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I have worn hearing aids since 1969 (measles). I wear them from the moment that I wake up till I go to sleep. I have a cat with claws for an alarm clock. She is real good at waking me up at the proper time (5:30AM). Cat claw in the back or butt is a wonderful way to start the day. BUT, seriouly, my newest aids just cost me $7,900. Yes, I know there are cheaper aids out there but you have to buy what works for you. I have a setting on my new aids just for shooting. It stops the noises that cause the ringing that you hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Purly. I understand that as an adult you can make your own decisions, however, I as a T/O will not start the timer unless the shooter puts in their hearing protection. A number of years ago I had a shooter come to the line without their hearing protection in, I asked them to put them in their ears, their reply was, but I am deaf. My reply (since I was the berm marshall at a state match) was if you do not put your hearing protection in, you do not shoot this stage. Like your vision, your hearing is far too important not to protect. IMHO. If neither SASS nor local range rules required hearing protection, how could you refuse the shooter to shoot the stage? Would the MD back you up and refund the shooter his entry fee? How about the other TOs and berm marshalls who allowed him to shoot. Could he request another TO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I wear hearing protection at all times at the range. With that said, there is no SASS rule requiring hearing protection (although highly recommended) for an adult, juniors have to wear hearing protection. If a range does not mandate hearing protection (and many smartly do require hearing protection) how can an RO refuse to start a shooter on a stage without hearing protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I think that you have fullfilled your obligation by reminding the shooter. We're big boys and girls, and able to make uor own decisions, however wrong they may be. In this case - ditto.. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kid Sopris, Regulator, #3290 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 People who refuse to wear hearing protection are either deaf or stupid. And you can't fix stupid. Hearing Aids? Is that something you get from "Unprotected Activity" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Coles SASS 1188 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 You are the TO, shooter comes to the line, you ask the shooter if he is ready. Shooter says yes. You ask shooter if he wants to put in their ear protection. The says no, he don't like to shoot with them in. Now what should you do, ask if they will put them in, or give them a standby and start the timer ? If there are no rules requiring it at the range or club, there is not much you can do. Just make sure to turn the buzzer up, cause pretty soon the guy won't be able to hear it! This is truly a case of "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Turkey Creek Red, can/will you answer my question please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purly SASS # 57438 Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 Turkey Creek Red, can/will you answer my question please? I would think you could request another T O anytime. By the way, the shooter showed up today with ear protection and used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Shayne Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I was one of those who did not wear hearing protection when I first started shooting cas just a couple of years ago. I already had some hearing loss from years of loud car audio work and from factory working. My reasoning was that I was afraid I would not be able to hear a command from the RO if I was wearing ear plugs. It didnt take me long to realize I couldnt hear them anyways once I was in the zone shooting. So I have been wearing them for the last 2 years or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 If neither SASS nor local range rules required hearing protection, how could you refuse the shooter to shoot the stage? Would the MD back you up and refund the shooter his entry fee? How about the other TOs and berm marshalls who allowed him to shoot. Could he request another TO? A shooter always has the right to appeal to the MD. I would probably back the shooter in this case if there were no local range rules -- he is a big boy. Fortunately I never have to make that decision, because our parent range wisely requires eyes and ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre #23212 Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Purly. I understand that as an adult you can make your own decisions, however, I as a T/O will not start the timer unless the shooter puts in their hearing protection. A number of years ago I had a shooter come to the line without their hearing protection in, I asked them to put them in their ears, their reply was, but I am deaf. My reply (since I was the berm marshall at a state match) was if you do not put your hearing protection in, you do not shoot this stage. Like your vision, your hearing is far too important not to protect. IMHO. So how did this deaf guy hear you tell him to put them in??????? BH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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