Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Well I see that JP Lower is at it again in the latest May CC and Tex published it. Here he is again (first article in Dec CC titled "Real Cowboys Shoot Duelist") bashing two handed shooters and folks that shoot with "tricks inside their guns and special loads". In his article he asks are you a "real cowboy shooter or a sissy in stacked heels"? Why does Tex publish such divisive articles (including ones that harshly bash other shooters), especially after the response from the Dec article? JP Lower seems to try to justify his thoughts by saying he doesn't see slicked up guns and no one shooting with two hands in the western movies? As far as his question about a stock gun category, that seems to be a dead horse that has been discussed and discussed many times and every time it gets back to how do you define, control (and inspect) what is a stock gun? It also doesn't address how you would handle all the latest offerings from gun companies with much of the gunsmithing already done before the gun is boxed, just like special orders to the gun companies back in the old west. In addition many posters have suggested if there was really an interest in a stock gun category, someone would take the bull by the horns and start doing it in monthly shoots and see just how popular it really is and to my knowledge, no one has done so to date. As far as shooting one handed, we already have many one handed categories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Guess I'll have to read that one..... On the 'stock gun' issue: I used to be happy shooting 'stock', but after a little action work done on my rifle and new hammers on my Vaquero's - shooting is a little easier for me, and that makes it more fun (for me at least) - and I am NOT a fast shooter, nor have these mods made me 'faster'....that will have to come on improving myself alone I do remember the 'Real Shooters Shoot Duelist' article - and found it laughable... We got a great game, and don't need articles that 'bash' the way, how, or what people shoot - if it's all within the rules of the game....all is good IMHO. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 As most of us know, it ain't about the gun. My suspicion is that Tex agrees with the author of that piece (and may have written it himself using a pseudonym). GCK, I highly doubt we'll ever see a "stock" gun category. I don't expect there is sufficient interest in such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dang It Dan 13202 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 The question is not "why does he do it", it's more like "who cares?". Tex has been doing this for years which is why I don't read anything he writes. I still like looking at the CC and reading other articles, but I found I am much happier when I just flip past his editorial. Change the channel - simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre #23212 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I think ol JP likes to pull folks chain...seems to work to!!! Now if ol JP is serious about a stock-full load category!! Wellllll...he should start one!! Make or buy the trophy or better yet put-up a 50 buck donation to the SASS chapel, college fund, etc. in the name of the winner each month. Well JP is ya got the sand!!!!!!!! BH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Maybe he thinks controversy creates fans. Perhaps he thinks that if it is printed/official material, folks will believe it as gospel. I don't mind being the duck, I just let the water roll off of my back.........I just get tired of being goosed. C.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Like any family, it ain't when we're busy bickering about trivial crap that ya gotta worry. It's when we speak with one voice, which would indicate some threat from outside the "family" is lurking...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDisaster # 45431 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Duelist is coolest Why does a dog lick himself? Cause he can...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Steel Duke Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Again, after looking at hundreds of our old family pictures and Tin Types, nobody, and I mean nobody had 2 guns. It was either a single pistol shoved in their britches and/or a single shot shotgun, and these weren't farmers or cattlemen, they were lawmen. Some were Marshal's, one was a County Sheriff and 2 were Pinkerton agents. So I'd say they used a 2 hand grip for sure! BSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 We got a great game, and don't need articles that 'bash' the way, how, or what people shoot - if it's all within the rules of the game....all is good IMHO. GG ~ I agree, I think he just likes to stir the pot Then he sits at home on his computer laughing at our replies ........Just like the meaningless article last month about boots Jefro Relax-Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Doggle Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 It’s shameful when our leaders resort to, or condoning, name-calling when folks have a different point of view. It looks like some in SASS are following the same trends as our liberal leaders in Washington. That being said, I have always heard that you should not judge SASS by what is said on the "Wire". I guess you can now say the same thing about the “Cowboy Chronicle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Seeing as how there may not be a SASS without Tex and a very few others, and because he owns a considerable percentage of SASS, and because he is Editor-in-Chief of the CC, and because he's been around since Noah was playing with toy boats, he can because he can. If you don't like it, there are a couple of options: 1. Don't renew your SASS membership. 2. Don't read the CC. 3. Start your own shooting society and build it up over a quarter of a century or more and do it your own way. 4. Stop taking yourself so seriously and have fun. Consider that somewhere around 100,000 people have joined SASS since it started and there aren't more than a handful who care about your opinion.....or mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Duelist is coolest Why does a dog lick himself? Cause he can...... Gunfighter is righter...... I agree, I think he just likes to stir the pot Then he sits at home on his computer laughing at our replies ........Just like the meaningless article last month about boots Jefro Relax-Enjoy That's probably the case GG ~ (who is happy that folks shoot with one hand, both hands, or two hands, or a prosthetic device - at least your shootin') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozarks Monte, SASS #66019 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Seeing as how there may not be a SASS without Tex and a very few others, and because he owns a considerable percentage of SASS, and because he is Editor-in-Chief of the CC, and because he's been around since Noah was playing with toy boats, he can because he can. If you don't like it, there are a couple of options: 1. Don't renew your SASS membership. 2. Don't read the CC. 3. Start your own shooting society and build it up over a quarter of a century or more and do it your own way. 4. Stop taking yourself so seriously and have fun. Consider that somewhere around 100,000 people have joined SASS since it started and there aren't more than a handful who care about your opinion.....or mine. Well Said!! Enough Said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Seeing as how there may not be a SASS without Tex and a very few others, and because he owns a considerable percentage of SASS, and because he is Editor-in-Chief of the CC, and because he's been around since Noah was playing with toy boats, he can because he can. If you don't like it, there are a couple of options: 1. Don't renew your SASS membership. 2. Don't read the CC. 3. Start your own shooting society and build it up over a quarter of a century or more and do it your own way. 4. Stop taking yourself so seriously and have fun. Consider that somewhere around 100,000 people have joined SASS since it started and there aren't more than a handful who care about your opinion.....or mine. Yup. I never get the drizzlies over anything I read in the CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I think Tex is on the wire all the time Under an Alias, Alias.........I have a few names in mind......just stirring the pot "Conspiracy" Wyatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Ya'll just do not understand! It is very important that as many folks as possible be "impressed" with in fighting, arguing, and name calling to discourage them from doing SASS. Evidently ya'll haven't figured this out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Why does he do it? Cause he can (and will)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Ya'll just do not understand! It is very important that as many folks as possible be "impressed" with in fighting, arguing, and name calling to discourage them from doing SASS. Evidently ya'll haven't figured this out yet. yep, now you all see why I don't waste my money on belonging to SASS..with that being said, almost everybody I have met that was a SASS member was A-OK to me, as in any outfit there is always a loudmouth or trouble maker in the bunkhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Buckhorn,SASS 51727 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 yep, now you all see why I don't waste my money on belonging to SASS..with that being said, almost everybody I have met that was a SASS member was A-OK to me, as in any outfit there is always a loudmouth or trouble maker in the bunkhouse. Why Uncle Joe, I ain't never heard you string that many words in a row before. See you in a couple of weeks I hope! Marlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Why Uncle Joe, I ain't never heard you string that many words in a row before. See you in a couple of weeks I hope! Marlin I thunk about it for a piece afore I posted it, wouldn't have done it but felt like it needed saying from a non-member is all..I'm forward like that ya know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tell Sackett SASS 18436 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 No slicked up guns in the movies?? Dean Martin wanted to "file the action" on Walter Brennans borrowed gun in Rio Bravo. No 2 handed shooting?? James Coburn in The Magnificent Seven took a 2 handed shot at the bandito fixin' to ride over the hill. So much for his "it wasn't in the movies" statement. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about, so ignore him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 2. Don't read the CC. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I don't. I thot we couldn't talk about it until ye got yours?? Why, if'n ye don't read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 "I'd like a short barreled Colt, in .45, easy on the hammer and light on the trigger. I want the front sight a little higher and thicker, Bat Masterson in a letter he sent to Colt. (Not exact quote but close) Ya think gunsmiths nowadays have the patent on "slickin' up guns. I don't believe that for a minute. Gunsmiths in the old west were fling, and sanding and doing all kinds of slickin' up. Stock guns? Why? I like my slicked up Smoke Wagons and my ss rifles. Shoot what ya want and shoot HOW ya want. Myself, I shoot Frontier Cartrdige Duelist and I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Well... sometimes, letters such as that (or "guest" editorials), elicit responses and provides something else to fill the space between ads. As Tex told me one time... if you read something you don't like, write a response and if appropriate, they'll publish it. So... don't biotch on the Wire, write in a letter of your own. EDITED to add: a little controversy sells... just look at TV news. Sweeps week you'll see all kinds of fol-da-rah being reported as "news". Print is the same. Uh, Uncle Joe, I ain't always the sharpest tool in the shed... but I distinctly see a SASS# there in your on-screen profile. So ya joined at one time... unlike several of my friends that STILL aren't members after 24 years of shootin' cowboy style. Take yer badge, id card and mail 'em back... tell 'em to re-use 'em... then take your SASS # outta your profile. Like sayin' the day after ya quite smokin', "...I'm a 'non-smoker'"... not quite yet there pard. Then again, if'n you're gonna use their bailiwick to play ball... you oughta sign up and pay for the priviledge till they refund your money and boot ya off. View might be different from your saddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I don't. Too bad - the articles that apprear in the last page are the best to read. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 yep, now you all see why I don't waste my money on belonging to SASS..with that being said, almost everybody I have met that was a SASS member was A-OK to me, as in any outfit there is always a loudmouth or trouble maker in the bunkhouse. ............ so, ... SASS # 81103 isn't the real you ? ... or you ain't really SASS # 81103 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Steel Duke Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 In his article he asks are you a "real cowboy shooter or a sissy in stacked heels"? Well, since we have a cart with wheels instead of a horse, and our iron targets aren't shooting back at us, I seriously doubt that any of us are "real cowboy shooters". I'm there to have fun, leave the male pis**** match for another venue. BSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I'm pretty much against shooting any 'real cowboys' anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go West Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Maybe he posts these highly charged op-ed pieces just to show how awful those rants and positions really are. I like the Chronicle for the pictures and interesting articles. It's fun to see people you know in there or perhaps another Larson E. Pettifogger gun article. The negative, opinionated crap is what I like to skip over or just not pay much attention to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Mudd Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Seeing as how there may not be a SASS without Tex and a very few others, and because he owns a considerable percentage of SASS, and because he is Editor-in-Chief of the CC, and because he's been around since Noah was playing with toy boats, he can because he can. If you don't like it, there are a couple of options: 1. Don't renew your SASS membership. 2. Don't read the CC. 3. Start your own shooting society and build it up over a quarter of a century or more and do it your own way. 4. Stop taking yourself so seriously and have fun. Consider that somewhere around 100,000 people have joined SASS since it started and there aren't more than a handful who care about your opinion.....or mine. What Forty Rod said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowhand Bob, 24229 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 When I was little more than a pup I met a guy who was an aging pro wrestler, his night job, when he wasnt running trains. While talking to him he made note, "Folks really come watch to see the villains!" Well, I aint calling Tex a villain here but he does seem to frequently take the views that he knows will agitate the WIRE crowd, almost like he must have a sense of humor?? Funny thing is that if anyone even brings this stuff up at a local, and that seems rare, he gets about a fifty percent agreement rating, while here it comes up every month and his agreement ratio is almost zero. Leads me to wonder how in touch we regular WIRE chatters are and why we are so worried about his opinions? I think we voice our opinions on here pretty frequently and sometimes with a bit of abrasiveness towards dissenters, so why not just extend that right to Tex also. Dang, now I gots to go read what he said and I usually only like to read the history and how-to stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Well... sometimes, letters such as that (or "guest" editorials), elicit responses and provides something else to fill the space between ads. As Tex told me one time... if you read something you don't like, write a response and if appropriate, they'll publish it. So... don't biotch on the Wire, write in a letter of your own. EDITED to add: a little controversy sells... just look at TV news. Sweeps week you'll see all kinds of fol-da-rah being reported as "news". Print is the same. Uh, Uncle Joe, I ain't always the sharpest tool in the shed... but I distinctly see a SASS# there in your on-screen profile. So ya joined at one time... unlike several of my friends that STILL aren't members after 24 years of shootin' cowboy style. Take yer badge, id card and mail 'em back... tell 'em to re-use 'em... then take your SASS # outta your profile. Like sayin' the day after ya quite smokin', "...I'm a 'non-smoker'"... not quite yet there pard. Then again, if'n you're gonna use their bailiwick to play ball... you oughta sign up and pay for the priviledge till they refund your money and boot ya off. View might be different from your saddle. Your right, I have went in and changed my profile, I did join for a year, decided I was never going to go big time and shoot other then local shoots, the CC did not make it worth the money just to receive it, I'm not a big time shooter, never have been probably never will be, I'm still young and enjoy other hobbies also, mainly doing about 15-18,000 miles a year on motorcycles..I do enjoy the local shoots very much, not a single person that I have shot with that I didn't like..I come here to read the wire, have interjected my thoughts a few times, and have had my hat handed to me once or twice, as you seemingly just did, I take it all in stride..I don't see how me either belonging to SASS or not belonging makes any differences in my life..if you or anybody can convince me how belonging will make me happier then I shall rejoin..as for the Wire, it seems to be a open forum if they wish to go private then that is their choice. then I, and some others will then have to decide do we enjoy it enough to, in my case, rejoin, or for others to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubious Don #56333 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Having shot with Tex on many occasions I can tell you he not only talks the talk but walks the walk too. He shoots pretty danged good if you ask me, being "handicapped" by the guns and loads he uses. I think he writes or allows to be published certain articles in the same manner as newspaper editors use columnists to write pointed and perhaps divisive articles in an effort to make the rest of us THINK. Stimulate a healthy discussion on new (or old) issues. Stock gun? C'mon, give me a break. At this point in the game there's no way a stock gun catagory would work, not with the many offerings of "race ready" guns out there. Light loads? Well, I know some cowboys and cowgirls that use loads at the minimum because they have medical issues. I also know some who use light loads because they think it makes'em faster. Well, they're playing by the rules and they ARE faster so.......what? Two hands versus one hand. Hey, you shoot your game your way, I'll shoot mine my way...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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