Marauder SASS #13056 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I noticed that the History channel has a program about the Battle of Little Big Horn/Greasy Grass. Tonight at 9 pm Eastern Time. (8 PM Central) and on the West Coast, Mikey's Big Hand will be on..... Says it will include info from some forensic science. That may be worth watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Even with modern forensic science I bet he still loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Larsen beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 We shot Custer's Last Stand for the March match. He didn't win then either. I gotta go to bed early tonight. Big day tomorrow. Jawja State Match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Forsyth #72674 Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I like me some Custer history, every show I watch, it turns out the same way. Now over on the sci-fi channel, Ghost Hunters rules Wed. nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P.Sloe , SASS # 23506 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Watched that show. It was about a Dayton, Wa. man who supposedly made it out of the massacree alive but didn't say aword about it for 40 some odd years. It was really good, and if you watched it you could draw your own conclusions. As for Custer stories, the best I've seen if call "Son of the Morning Star" and I've been a lokin for a DVD of it to no avail. It is a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 It wasn't bad, but it was a 1 hour show stretched to 2 hours with repetitive scenes and dialog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangler Rich SASS #42157 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Did ya catch the guy with his chaps on backwards? Narratior said he drew down on him with a Winchester, guy had a front stuffer...... turned it off after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-Eyed Buck,SASS #14795 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 If you overlooked some of the inaccuracies, it did give you some food for thought. Kinda fit into the alias part of our sport if you think about it. Maybe he was............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I watched it, enjoyed it. It provided some fodder for conversation and thought. The fact that he knew the landscape was somewhat impressive, but not necessarily convincing. The fact that his version bucked the then conventional wisdom, but seems to be more in line with what we know now seems to be quite interesting. I would prefer things to be accurate with weapons and clothing, but I don't get a bunch of heart burn when they aren't completely accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Solo Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 One interesting part was that a body was identified as August Finkle by one person, but his best friend couldn't identify it a short time later. There were stray bodies, and the Souix had stripped the bodies before the Army arrived. The hand writing was about the same on the surface, and the differences the expert pointed out could easily have been the differences that crop up after 40 years of aging. I have worked with handwriting experts professionally. Their "science" isn't exact by any means. At best it is supportive evidence. My only question is how could anyone get out of that alive. But then again, the killing of everyone on one side of any battle is fairly rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 One interesting part was that a body was identified as August Finkle by one person, but his best friend couldn't identify it a short time later. There were stray bodies, and the Souix had stripped the bodies before the Army arrived. The hand writing was about the same of the surface, and the differences the expert pointed out could easily have been the differences that crop up after 40 years of aging. I have worked with handwriting experts professionally. Their "science" isn't exact by any means. At best it is supportive evidence. My only question is how could anyone get out of that alive. But then again, the killing of everyone on one side of any battle is fairly rare. According to some Sioux accounts, a number of troopers killed themselves to avoid capture and torture. This is an interesting read. Keep the Last Bullet for Yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hud Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I agree 'bout the handwriting guy. My handwriting has changed a TON over the years, and all for the worse. Almost wonder if that guy was a real expert at all since he never brought that up. hud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Desperado, SASS # 49558 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Handwriting analysis is certainly a supportive investigative tool and is never 100% without question. What I missed and again I just might have missed it, but was there any discussion about any examination of scars from the wounds he said he received and if they were consistent with those types of injuries? As far as the possibility of some soldiers one or more escaping the battle field with all the confusion and smoke, I don't know about Finkle, but most anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-Eyed Buck,SASS #14795 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Wiley, no discussion of scars that I can remember. Was kind of wondering that myself. Mentioned wounds received, but nothing about checking for scars during the 1920's interview. Of course, the social mores were different then, maybe the reporter thought that would be too forward...........Buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I quit when it became obvious that most of the program was a Custer whitewash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I quit when it became obvious that most of the program was a Custer whitewash. I didn't necessarily see it that way, considering it pointed out Custer just barely escaped with his command on a prior occasion, and that he had the opportunity to escape at Little Big Horn, among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-Eyed Buck,SASS #14795 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Also part of Finkle's story jives with indian accounts which he more than likely had no access to at the time of the paper article. The indians also stated that there was a time that Custer could've gotten out before it was too late........Buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickahominy Charlie Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I don't know.....to me it was a "successful" show.....I fell asleep in the first 1/2 hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 It wasn't bad, but it was a 1 hour show stretched to 2 hours with repetitive scenes and dialog. It drives me crazy when they do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill Beachy, SASS #5327 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I like me some Custer history, every show I watch, it turns out the same way. Well, they actually tried to make the battle turn out differently once. There was an episode years and years ago, of The Twilight Zone where some National Guardsmen were on maneuvers near the battlefield, and thought that they heard the Custer battle ongoing. As I recall, their tanks stopped working, and they walked over the hill. The end result was still the same however.... http://tzone.the-croc.com/tzeplist/phantoms.html http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734627/usercomments http://www.answers.com/topic/the-7th-is-made-up-of-phantoms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I like me some Custer history, every show I watch, it turns out the same way. Now over on the sci-fi channel, Ghost Hunters rules Wed. nights. I just noticed your post. I'm glad I'm not the only one that enjoys the TAPS fellows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Bit Charlie Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Well, they actually tried to make the battle turn out differently once. There was an episode years and years ago, of The Twilight Zone where some National Guardsmen were on maneuvers near the battlefield, and thought that they heard the Custer battle ongoing. As I recall, their tanks stopped working, and they walked over the hill. The end result was still the same however.... http://tzone.the-croc.com/tzeplist/phantoms.html http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734627/usercomments http://www.answers.com/topic/the-7th-is-made-up-of-phantoms I remember that episode. At the end the rest of the National Guard are looking for them and their names are listed on the tombstones. That is one of the few Twilight Zones I remember, I must have been only about 8 years old at the time. Two-Bit Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Roosevelt Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Buck and Wiley. I noticed that about the scars also. Early 20th century mores or not there should have been a scar on his forehead for all to see, even if faint. Enjoyed the show though. Maybe one of these days it will turn out Custer wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-Eyed Buck,SASS #14795 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Don't think it'll come to that, BH. Now I wonder if they need to start trying to get the old photos of Finkle and start doing some close up analysis to see if a trace of a scar is evident.......Buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Sorry I missed the show -- somwhere online (and I think it was linked through the SASS wire) I read an account about an apparent Custer survivor. Althought I don't remember the details, the name "Finkle" rings a bell, so it may have been the same guy. The on-line account I read was unproven, but plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I'm not certain this is the same account I read, but it is about Finkel (Finckle, Finkle) and covers the salient information: http://www.historynet.com/survivor-frank-finkels-lasting-stand.htm/6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-Eyed Buck,SASS #14795 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Ed, That's a better narrative than the HC show was. Maybe they should've used that as the script! There were points brought up that weren't used in the TV one, and should have been. There were more reports that back up Finkle's story than were used, including reports from military personel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepnmud#33546 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 The indian fella that commented "We had a over-whelming force and Custer had a under- whelming force." as a matter of fact. and the military body count 206 men to the number of 210 men with Custer on the military records seems like deserters or possible mia's could have happened. Using an alias must have been more common than I had thought and not many like the military were all that concerned about it. I most recently read a book "The Lone Cowboy" by Will James as per Nubbins Colt review in the chronicle. The life history of Will James and James mentions several times changing his name and using an alias to avoid possible capture or association to others. Allthough W.J. was a few years after The Battle of Little Bighorn. http://www.amazon.com/Lone-Cowboy-My-Life-Story/dp/0878423575 interesting that this particular fight is still studied today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I have to agree with Buck, that article is far superior to the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Creek Law Dog Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 There is a radio episode with the Lone Ranger and Tonto arriving at LBH right after the battle but before Terry arrives. The Lone Ranger tells Tonto that there isn't much they could do now and we might as well leave as Gen Terry was on his way. Also, there is an episode of Have Gune Will Travel called Comanche, second season, 1st episode of disc 6. Paladin is on the trail of a 7th Cav deserter and his new bridewho are heading to Canada. Paladin catches up with them and is taking them back when they discover a wounded cavalry horse. The deserter recognizes it as belonging to Capt. Keough. Paladin dresses the horses wounds and lets it go. they follow it to see if it will take them back to the owner. Comanche leads them to the battlefield. While looking over the field Lt. Bradley arrived from Gibbons column. The deserter has a change of heart and surrendered to Bradley. Paladin went back to cards, fine wine and women in San Fransisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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