Captain Bill Burt Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 The BATF, decided they were going to audit the guy doing some smithing on my pistols, on the day I was supposed to pick them up. Anyone have any experience with those? How long do they take, are they random, that sort of thing. The Smith has a good reputation, so I'm really only concerned with getting my stuff back in time for my next match, which is Sunday. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitmaster, SASS #78461 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 3 Things that have an impact on the audit. 1. FFL's organization and completeness of paperwork. 2. FFL's business size. 3. FFL's attitude. A good idea not to wear a T-Shirt supporting Wayne LaPierre for President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jim Henry, SASS #20616 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Really shouldn't affect the return of your firearms, unless the agent discovers that the licensee failed to log in them. Of course, if he hasn't finished the work on them, the audit could delay the return just because he's having to devote his attention to other things for the moment. Regards, TJH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 Thanks Pitmaster and Tex, He must have had things in order cause he's already through and shipped my stuff out for delivery tomorrow. Pretty good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Remember when the nice man from the BATF knocks on your door he is there to help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Coles SASS 1188 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 In my experience, there are two ATFs, the agents(who are very nice guys in general) and the auditors (who can be real jerks). When I was running a shop in very southern California we worked closely with the ATF agents which led to several arrests for efforts to illegally export to Mexico as well as buy machine-guns and destructive devices. To be clear, these were not just misguided folks but real bad dudes involved in the Mexican drug trade. The kind of folks I am happy to send to jail. Years ago I also testified for the ATF and FBI in a terrorism trial (white supremacists who wanted to start a race war, not what you would call deep thinkers!) against some folks for lying on their 4473. Again, just the kind of folks you want to send to jail. Despite this, when it comes time for an audit, the folks they send out are not helpful in the least and they act like you are just waiting to sell hand grenades to little children. One of the agents I worked with told me that they don't even like the ATF auditors. But, if you keep your nose clean and do your paperwork correctly, there is not much they can do to you, so just smile and get on with life. Glad you got your guns back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Appearance is everything. If things look neat and orderly, it will likely be short & painless, but if there are boxes randomly stacked all over, paperwork stacked hither & yon, a few guns laying out in disarray on the bench, tools all over, trash can running over, floor unswept, etc., they will naturally assume that the books are kept in the same manner. I've never had an audit in the gun room at my workplace that lasted more than 15 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 3 Things that have an impact on the audit. 1. FFL's organization and completeness of paperwork. 2. FFL's business size. 3. FFL's attitude. A good idea not to wear a T-Shirt supporting Wayne LaPierre for President. 4. Desirability of the gunsmith's location as a vacation resort. If the town sucks the agent will finish faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Do you think it would piss off one of those jerk auditors, if you had your lawyer sitting right next to him during the audit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Gun Runner SASS 79775 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I have a friend in town that runs a Class III sales business dealing primarily in suppressors. He has the auditors sign in on a logbook with a short description of the purpose of the visit. Obviously he has had issues previously. Another friend with an FFL has been audited once in the last 7 years and it took about 20 minutes. I have had my FFL now for about three years and no one has as of yet called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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