Subdeacon Joe Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Wondering where the word came from and how it applied to drinks, and found this: The earliest definition of cocktail was in the May 13, 1806, edition of The Balance and Columbian Repository, a publication in Hudson, New York, in which an answer was provided to the question, "What is a cocktail?". It replied: Cocktail is a stimulating liquor composed of spirits of any kind, sugar, water, and bitters—it is vulgarly called a bittered sling and is supposed to be an excellent electioneering potion, inasmuch as it renders the heart stout and bold, at the same time that it fuddles the head. It is said, also to be of great use to a Democratic candidate: because a person, having swallowed a glass of it, is ready to swallow anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Business Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 After the democratic candidate gets elected is when you really need a cocktail or three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 After the democratic candidate gets elected is when you really need a cocktail or three. Sounds about right GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 forget the mixer, leave the bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Har! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I was told that the reason the "cocktails" were developed is that the taste of the booze available was so bad that they had to mix something with it to make it dr1nkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 link Coctail Museum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 So where did the " WORD" come from, Deacon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozarks Monte, SASS #66019 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I was told that the reason the "cocktails" were developed is that the taste of the booze available was so bad that they had to mix something with it to make it dr1nkable. This Is So True!! My Granny Told Me That Back in Prohibition That the Swill Was So bad Ya Had to Mix!! But On The Other hand Deacon Has a Very Valid Point!! I Will Just Drink to Both Of Them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 So where did the " WORD" come from, Deacon? .... my guess is that they may be the type of drinks one serves at "Cocktail Parties" .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 So where did the " WORD" come from, Deacon? That seems to be open to much dispute and discussion. During the Colonial period, tavern keepers stored their spirits in casks. When the casks got near empty, the dregs, or tailings, would be mixed together into one barrel and sold at a reduced price—poured from the spigot, which was referred to as the cock. Patrons wanting this cheaper alcohol would come in asking for “cock tailings.” Another popular story comes from New Orleans, where an apothecary by the name of Peychaud (of bitters fame) served a mixed brandy drink in a French eggcup. Eventually the drink was named coquetier, the French term for an eggcup. Peychaud’s guests shortened the name to “cocktay,” and eventually it became “cocktail.” also The French word "Coquetel" may also have had something to do with "cocktail"; it was the name of a mixed drink from Bordeaux served to French officers during the American Revolution. I'm inclined towards the corruption of a French word. Although that is just my gut feeling. Nothing to back that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Bit Bobb Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Well sir...as many Saloons n' pubs that I frequent, this topic has never come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 All three are interesting suppositions. I doubt that the real origin really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 All three are interesting suppositions. I doubt that the real origin really matters. I'll drink to that! But, it is fun to speculate. While having a cocktail, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Cheers. Tally ho, the fox; and all that rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Logan #12252 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 cocktail is made of two words.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Red, SASS #71733 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Y'all understand the "Democratic Candidate" in the story would have been what we call a Republican. In 1806 the party was called either the Democratic-Republican Party or more commonly The Republican Party. The closest thing to the modern Democratic Party was the Federalists. Democratic Republicans were big on states rights and a weaker central government. Still a funny comment. RR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 Y'all understand the "Democratic Candidate" in the story would have been what we call a Republican. In 1806 the party was called either the Democratic-Republican Party or more commonly The Republican Party. The closest thing to the modern Democratic Party was the Federalists. Democratic Republicans were big on states rights and a weaker central government. Still a funny comment. RR Hmmm.....from my study, the "Democratic-Republicans" of Jefferson & Madison were more often called Republicans, since they espoused the principles of Republicanism, than Democrats. The founders, including Jefferson and Madison, were quite clear that they feared Democracy. Kind of split in 18 and 24 when one wing of the party, styling themselves Democrats, backed a fairly federalist Andy Jackson while a more anti-federalist faction , the National Republicans with JQ Adams and H. Clay at the fore evolved into the Whigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Y'all understand the "Democratic Candidate" in the story would have been what we call a Republican. In 1806 the party was called either the Democratic-Republican Party or more commonly The Republican Party. The closest thing to the modern Democratic Party was the Federalists. Democratic Republicans were big on states rights and a weaker central government. Still a funny comment. RR The closest thing to the modern Democratic Party is Socialism - like Mark Levin says: " There..I said it" GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Red, SASS #71733 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Quite correct, Joe. Although, before the split the only "Democrats" were from the Democratic-Republicans. The joke still makes sense. If the source was from a northern publication they would've, of course, made fun of the "Democrats", seeing as Democratic-Republicans were primarily southerners. RR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Business Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 The closest thing to the modern Democratic Party is Socialism - like Mark Levin says: " There..I said it" GG ~ And most of the anti second amendment types are Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 And most of the anti second amendment types are Democrats. Ain't that the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Business Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Ain't that the truth. All those ridiculous control laws are for our own good, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 We just aren't smart enough to tie our shoes. Say, how DID my shoes get tied. Sad times we live in, Whiskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Business Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Tell me about it. Hey, are those shoe laces Sarbanes-Oxley compliant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deja Vous Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 After the democratic candidate gets elected is when you really need a cocktail or three. man.. 3?????????? Now I would be SOL.. oh, wait we already are.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Business Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 man.. 3?????????? Now I would be SOL.. oh, wait we already are.. lol Ha! Belly up to tha bar and have #4! SOL! Truer words were never spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tascosa, SASS# 24838 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 For cocktails....WOOT WOOT ( words learned from an Aussie LEO friend) As for being SOL I agree. Hope and change.... I hope we get a change next election. Tascosa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Very good, Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deja Vous Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 For cocktails....WOOT WOOT ( words learned from an Aussie LEO friend) As for being SOL I agree. Hope and change.... I hope we get a change next election. Tascosa I know we will!!!! But then I believe that in CA things are changing peoples minds about guns too, so I might just live in disney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 ....WOOT WOOT ( words learned from an Aussie LEO friend) ...... Tascosa ..... I'm afraid that he may well have mislead you ..... ............ of course, he didn't do it intentionally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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