Wild Hare Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 If Black Powder Subs are safer, {not rated an explosive}, why can't they be used in conventional powder measures such as the Lee Pro Disk unit? I'm looking to use my progessive press for Cowboy Ammo too,,, Quote
el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I've been loading Goex Pinnacle and APP in my Dillon 550B for several years now. Don't know of any reason not to do so. Buena suerte, eGG Quote
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I just loaded up 2400 rounds with 777 using my Lee Disk unit. No problems at all. Also loaded up 150 rounds using my Lee Perfect unit with 777 and Pyrodex, and 250 shotshells using my LoadAll with Pyrodex. One trick I found with the disks - I used a large countersink to chamfer the edges of the holes to eliminate powder bridging and shearing. Works a lot better. Quote
Dubious Don #56333 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 Subs should be perfectly safe in your measure. The issue you will face with some and it depends on the measure is erratic charges from bridging, clumping and such or (in the case of APP) the fine dust in that powder seems to choke some measures. The issue of real BP in powder measures is the possibility of static or steel parts within the measure causing a spark that sets off the powder. Hmmm, if steel measures were a sparking issue wouldn't that be a worry with regular powders? If static electricity is a problem with plastic measure parts why do they ship subs and BP in plastic bottles? Most measures can have their plastic hoppers replaced and since quite a few are made of non-sparking metals.... Numerous "tests" have been done regarding static electricity and real BP. I'm not sure I put much faith in them. I run APP, Pyrodex and 777 whrough my selection of RCBS, Dillon and Redding measures without a problem. Quote
Fingers McGee Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I've used blackpowder, APP, T7 and Pinnacle in my Hornady L-N-L progressive with the smokeless powder measure for a number of years with no untoward effects other than the dust jamming the rotor up after a couple hundred rounds with APP. Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee Quote
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) I have spoken several times with a shooter who had pyrodex go off while he was loading in a Rockchucker. He does not know if it was static or powder shearing. Edited March 21, 2011 by Abilene, SASS # 27489 Quote
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) Refer to Hodgdon's Loading Notes for its subs. "When loading cartridges with Pyrodex or Triple Seven, you may use a powder measure designed for smokeless powders." Note added 3/23/2001: I've run both of these products through a Lyman powder measure without any corrosion of the measure. I emptied the measure after every session but did not blow it clean with compressed air. I do live in a low-humdidity climate. Edited March 23, 2011 by Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Quote
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I use the Lee Auto Disc for FFg real black. Yep, I use the Lee, and Horandy LNL progressives for real BP and APP. A bunch of us do, a bunch of us don't, age old discussion. Jefro Quote
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 Yep, I use the Lee, and Horandy LNL progressives for real BP and APP. A bunch of us do, a bunch of us don't, age old discussion. Jefro Yep - and oddly enough we're all still here to talk about it. Quote
Peddler Parsons SASS # 31281 Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 I have used a Lee Load-All and niw a Mec Jr 12 for my shotgun with Goex and a Lee 1000 at first and now a Dillon 550 with APP, 777, Pyrodex, and some Goex for the last 8 years and have had now trouble, just keep things clean as you go and when you get done. Quote
Wild Hare Posted March 23, 2011 Author Posted March 23, 2011 A lot of good responces fellas, Thanks,,, Quote
Slowhand Bob, 24229 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I use the Hornady LNL powder measure for APP regularly and have no problems with it beyond the need for extra care protecting against corrosion. You must clean up well after each loading session or the subs will cause rust just as quickl as the real bp in your press, and yes I have on occasion used real bp in my Hornady. Since there is little to no metal in the LEE you should primarily be cleaning to keep down dust and residue. I have been using grits in my 44-40 sub loads for several years now and this has been the real fly in the ointment for loading on the auto press. The residue in grits will really bog down a powder measure quickly and the little LEE Perfect measure is the only game in town for this job. (I actually load my 44-40 rounds down to around 25grs of APP and this is a really big cost savings when you couple it with the fact that those specially lubed bullets are no longer needed.) Quote
Capt. George Baylor SASS#24287L Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) If Black Powder Subs are safer, {not rated an explosive}, why can't they be used in conventional powder measures such as the Lee Pro Disk unit? I'm looking to use my progressive press for Cowboy Ammo too,,, All BP subs that are SASS legal can be used with smokeless powder measures. Hodgdon spent a lot of money proving Pyrodex and 777 are okay, and APP's website okays APP. If you still have any Pinnacle, follow APP's guidelines. Edited March 23, 2011 by Capt. George Baylor SASS#24287L Quote
Capt. George Baylor SASS#24287L Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) Delete. I may never try to reply using the iPhone again. Edited March 23, 2011 by Capt. George Baylor SASS#24287L Quote
Fairshake Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) If the "REAL POWDER" will work then why not those who wish to imitate Edited March 25, 2011 by Fairshake Quote
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