Utah Bob #35998 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Just saw on the news that the Navy says the 4 Americans taken hostage on their yacht have been killed by the pirates. Not much info yet. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Bit Bobb Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Yep, saw the news also. Prayers up for their family and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Air Strike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Sad news. However, I wonder about the wisdom of sailing in a small boat in such waters in light of the recent issues. Even a well armed vessel of that size would be in jeopard. Nonetheless, my prayers for the family and friends of all aboard. Seems to me that President Jefferson had a similar problem in that area of the world. The Marine Hymm reminds us of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Gun Runner SASS 79775 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Just read the pirates are currently holding 30 ships and 660 hostages. What is wrong with this picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 What an opportunity to celebrate cultural diversity! To be able to observe the different values of the peaceful Somalis and realize that yes, there truly is no right or wrong, only differences. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(above added as pure snark) Sad news. However, I wonder about the wisdom of sailing in a small boat in such waters in light of the recent issues. Even a well armed vessel of that size would be in jeopard. Nonetheless, my prayers for the family and friends of all aboard. Seems to me that President Jefferson had a similar problem in that area of the world. The Marine Hymm reminds us of it. Up in the Med, actually. But I agree with the folly of taking an unarmed pleasure craft into those waters. Military officials told NBC News that about 1 a.m. ET shots were heard aboard the yacht, called Quest. Negotiations had been under way with the pirates at the time. The officials said U.S. military personnel boarded the yacht and discovered all four hostages had been shot by their captors. Video: Somali pirates kill American hostages (on this page) The officials said two pirates were killed and 13 others captured after a brief gun battle as U.S. forces took control of the boat. "We express our deepest condolences for the innocent lives callously lost aboard the Quest," Gen. James N. Mattis, U.S. Central Command Commander, said in a statement. Two pirates already dead The statement added that in addition to the 15 dead or captured pirates, U.S. forces had found the remains of two pirates on the vessel who were already dead. It did not say how they had died. At this point, any US M/V that requests should be issued letters of marque and reprisal and the US Navy should initiate unrestricted surface warfare against pirate vessels. Wouldn't hurt to outfit some Q-ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 One thing for sure, the world is a dangerous place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Should do like th eRussians did. Hand cuff 'em to the boat and sink it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Should do like th eRussians did. Hand cuff 'em to the boat and sink it. They will be brought here and given a trial at millions of dollars of taxpayer’s expense. The apologists will make excuses as to why they had no choice but to be pirates and provide them with the best attorneys that our money can buy. Then we will incarcerate them again at taxpayer’s expense in better conditions than they ever had at home. The Russians had the right idea, I’d go it one better just toss their asses into the sea and let them swim. Even the sharks have to eat HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deja Vous Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Being a girl I have a soft side in my heart for those who need help. But being an adult I know that some people don't understand the difference between right an wrong until there is a stiff punishment. The message should be we will SINK all found pirates ships, and we are LOOKING for them, not just waiting for something to happen. It is not just these two couples, this is becoming a real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Hi All, The Somali pirate situation makes me so mad. I would like to know how they are "blackmailing" us to leave them alone. Also, do we give their government money? Are we afraid of world opinion? Regards, Allie Mo PS Okie, I'd agree but that might be political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Phil DeGrave SASS #55202 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Sharks gotta eat I'm just sayin......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Pony Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'd say follow old maritime law, sink the boat with pirates on board, or execute them on the spot and sink the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 There comes a time when we need to make some examples that leave a searing and lasting impression! If we were to video a few keel haulings and post them on the www, perhaps the message might be received! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 You folks are so hard. These sweet little skinny pirates had a difficult childhood and are just trying to get a little money so they can buy a few cups of rice for their dear little old starving mother. Just show a little understanding and they'll see the error of their ways and get on the straight and narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I think the benefit of reason is no longer valid when dealing with the pirates. There is a lot of big money to be made from ransom. They have armed young men with no formal education or military training, and who have very little to lose but their lives, willing to use violence to attain some manner of monetary gain buy intimidating those that are weaker than they are. I am talking arms here. Piracy has become a way of life for most of these scoundrels. It gives them the money to buy what they need to keep practicing their trade. They, for the most part, have very little regard for the suffering and troubles of others. Law of the jungle if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Slick, SASS #64415 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Piracy has always been a way of life for Pirates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-Eyed Buck,SASS #14795 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Old time law, no quarter, sweep the seas clean. If it no longer is profitable, they stop. If found sink them and the mother ship, no questions asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 One of the couples killed were handing out bibles to people in remote areas. Innocent, law abiding helpful people killed by pirates in 2011!!!! Unbelievable! Whadya do with the pirates?? KILL 'EM ALL DEAD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Balz, SASS#46599 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Tie their hands, add some rocks or lead and make them walk the plank. Sink their vessel. end of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunClick Rick Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Bomb thier capital city,then hit Columbia,and then Mexico.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Tie their hands, add some rocks or lead and make them walk the plank. Sink their vessel. end of story .... let them see their vessel sink .... from up real close ... chained to the poop deck (of their own vessel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jake1001 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 We are at WAR and our gubmint don't know it. They just think how to line their pockets with more taxpayer $$$$$. Big Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 18th century Law of the Sea, the captain capturing pirates has total discretion as to disposition. Hang 'em fraom yard arm or toss 'em overboard tied to a cannonball or . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkeep Casey Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 It is Tragic, what was even more amazing was the fact that over 30 vessel's and 600 people are being held for ransom right now as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Logan #12252 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 When captured lets say 12, you will need 24 sets of hand cuffs, 12 very dull hand saws, The wood type, cuf one leg n one arm opisit side to a pipe, then set the ship ablaze...or just let it drift close to their base, or better yet beach it after setting it a blaze.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 It is Tragic, what was even more amazing was the fact that over 30 vessel's and 600 people are being held for ransom right now as we speak. and no government has the nerve to risk world wide opinion by taking the evildoers out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finagler 6853 Life Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Pirates are another name for terrorist only pirates are in it for the money. All those drone planes we have, any ship or boat flying the US colors should be escorted by one. If an unauthorized boat comes near a US ship, it simply disappears. The pirates will learn to leave US ships alone. That or let the Navy boys have some fun and purpose rather than chugging around in circles doing exercises. Have them go out and exercise a Somali ship. I think a couple of submarine patrols, SUPRISE! ought to get their attention. If they worked as hard at cleaning up their country to invite investments and tourists they would make many peoples standard of living better. The best they can do now is fish food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Unfortunately, there are a few realities that many overlook. The pirates have nothing to lose. Without piracy, there existence is so bleak, that death is not the feared alternative that it is in the civilized world. Without ransom being paid, they would continue piracy if for nothing more than the contents of the ships. Quit paying the ransom and the pirates will kill all people they attack. They don't fear us and given what there alternatives are, I doubt they ever will. Therefore, I submit, there is no course of action that will effectively dissuade the Somali pirates. If you cannot dissuade them, then there remain but two alternatives Accept the losses or eliminate them until no more Somali's choose the profession of piracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Joe, SASS #24061 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Afte the first hijacking intervention in Mogdiscio (Somalia) a few years ago, Col. Wegener of the German GSG said that no terrorist should survive the rescue. A sentiment I am in total agreement with. Why do we have 13 prisoners? News reports said this incident happened 300 miles off the Somali coast. There has to be a mother ship somwhere nearby. In this age of sattelite surveillance and advanced radar, it should be easily found. If we lack the will to do what is necessary, report the position to the Russian or Chinese navies in the area. I guarantee they'll take the proper steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Unfortunately, there are a few realities that many overlook. The pirates have nothing to lose. Without piracy, there existence is so bleak, that death is not the feared alternative that it is in the civilized world. Without ransom being paid, they would continue piracy if for nothing more than the contents of the ships. Quit paying the ransom and the pirates will kill all people they attack. They don't fear us and given what there alternatives are, I doubt they ever will. Therefore, I submit, there is no course of action that will effectively dissuade the Somali pirates. If you cannot dissuade them, then there remain but two alternatives Accept the losses or eliminate them until no more Somali's choose the profession of piracy. I would accept action #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Unfortunately, there are a few realities that many overlook. The pirates have nothing to lose. Without piracy, there existence is so bleak, that death is not the feared alternative that it is in the civilized world. Without ransom being paid, they would continue piracy if for nothing more than the contents of the ships. Quit paying the ransom and the pirates will kill all people they attack. They don't fear us and given what there alternatives are, I doubt they ever will. Therefore, I submit, there is no course of action that will effectively dissuade the Somali pirates. If you cannot dissuade them, then there remain but two alternatives Accept the losses or eliminate them until no more Somali's choose the profession of piracy. I am certain that option #1 will not work. The losses, without restrictions, will escalate until they are no longer acceptable. In fact I find them unacceptable at this point. Option #2 seems. to me at least, a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. H. O' Sullivan Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Perhaps we need to target the "fishing" village docks and beaches where these folks park their dilapidated boats and teach these Skinnies a lesson. No quarter for piracy has been given in the past, so why now? If in fact they have ties to Muslim terrorist groups, perhaps the sight of a yacht full of Bibles was too much for them to handle, and why these Americans were murdered. I still have buddies in Army Aviation who remember the days in Mogadishu, and that is one rotten place. T.H. O'Sullivan Black Mesa Ranch New Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugs Bonney SASS # 10171 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think you are all to harsh. I'd let them swim home, with a block of frozen fish blood as a life preserver. Bugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 You folks are so hard. These sweet little skinny pirates had a difficult childhood and are just trying to get a little money so they can buy a few cups of rice for their dear little old starving mother. Just show a little understanding and they'll see the error of their ways and get on the straight and narrow. You have a point....so I will not charge their beneficiaries for the use of the rope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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