ORNERY OAF Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Ok Pards, I am in the doins of gettin me some new pistols but i dont have experiance with the ones i am a lookin at. It is between the uberti 58 rem conversions, 75 outlaws or open tops...wantin sometrhin a lil different than my beloved vaqueros. Will be shootin pale rider loads(holy black max load heavy bullets) so they gotta hold up..also gotta be 44-40 so i think open tops are out....advice,opinions welcome.. Thanks, Ornery Oaf
Buffalo Dick, SASS #12880 Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Ok Pards, I am in the doins of gettin me some new pistols but i dont have experiance with the ones i am a lookin at. It is between the uberti 58 rem conversions, 75 outlaws or open tops...wantin sometrhin a lil different than my beloved vaqueros. Will be shootin pale rider loads(holy black max load heavy bullets) so they gotta hold up..also gotta be 44-40 so i think open tops are out....advice,opinions welcome.. Thanks, Ornery Oaf Gunnison Roadrunner was shooting heavy bp loads with 250 grain bullets in his O/T's chambered for .45 Schofield for years before anyone even heard of Pale Rider. Gunnison told me he could get 28gr of Goex in his loads with the 250gr Big Lube bullets. My O/T's chambered for .44 Colt will qualify for Pale rider with 26gr of bp and a 200gr Big Lube using Starline .44 Colt brass. My newest O/T is actually chambered for .44spl. The guns have held up well with these loads. They now chamber the O/T's in .45 Colt, but I think that might be pushing it. Gunnison's experience notwithstanding, I prefer the thicker cylinder walls of the .44's in these rather small cylinders. Nothing points more naturally than an opentop Colt. The .44-40 is the cartridge to have in a rifle, I think pistols do fine with the straight walled cases.
ORNERY OAF Posted February 7, 2011 Author Posted February 7, 2011 Buffy, I was actually considerin the OT 44 spl, i reload 44ma/spl already so it would be easy. and you are right, they point so nice. I love my 44-40 rifle(73) so i am kickin the 44 spls around as well. Ornery
Seamus McGillicuddy Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 OO, I do not believe that 58 Remington conversions come in any .44 caliber. Mine have R&D cylinders in .45 Colt, barrel is closer to .45 than .44. Also, most folks find 58's bind up quickly with black powder although some have been able to smith them work OK. Seamus
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Afternoon Oaf: In my experience, 1875 Remmies bind up bad with BP. I like Open Tops in 44 Special. You can load Pale Rider loads in them and use the same Mav Dutchman Big Lube boolits that you use in 44-40 rifle cartridges. They will also chamber 44 Russian brass, which is the ideal BP cartridge IMHO (and period correct). They point naturally and break apart into 3 pieces for convenient cleaning. Put a Happy Trails (the Smith Shop) hardened steel firing pin & a set of Wolff springs & yer good to go --Dawg
ORNERY OAF Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 Dawg, Good to hear from ya again..I looked at an open top today at vandalia range and armory, was a 45colt but i asked him to get me a price on some 44 spls, what a great feelin gun and points super, think i mighta made up my mind.thanks gang for the advice. Load em hot and heavy OO
Tom Bullweed Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 My 'different' pistols are Cimarron Thunderers with 3-1/2" barrels. The grip is very close to the original birdshead that Colt used on thier model 1877's and 1878's. I am also looking at a pair of USFA storekeepers (4" barrel, no ejector rod housing or frame boss).
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