Half Fast Rusty Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Maybe I missed it but I am surprised there isn't some comments on Colonel Dan's article in the Chronicle this month. Maybe you all should take a moment and read it.
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 I like the article. It is well written, well thought out and reflects my thinking pretty closely. I can't see much give and take happening here on wire on that topic as I would imagine it probably reflects the thinking of the vast majority of SASS members. Also, it's political, which I thought we were supposed to avoid here? I think Colonel Dan should move to Georgia and run for congress, I'll vote for him.
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Maybe I missed it but I am surprised there isn't some comments on Colonel Dan's article in the Chronicle this month. Maybe you all should take a moment and read it. I never get my Chronicle this soon, guess I'll get to read it in a week or 2. Randy
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Smoke and mirrors IMHO. You'd never get 3/4 of the states to agree anything these days, even free ice cream.
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Maybe I missed it but I am surprised there isn't some comments on Colonel Dan's article in the Chronicle this month. Maybe you all should take a moment and read it. Whoa up pard. Kinda hard for us to comment on something we ain't seen yet and probably won't for anywhere from a few days to several weeks.
Cowboy Junky Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Higher taxes, Gov run health care, high unemployment, housing market is down, energy cost (under the guise of the environment) are rising, food costs rising, Gov printing money they don't have to fund more Gov bureaucracies, kids at school are being told what they can eat by the Gov, a loss of personal freedom like we have never seen before.....and so many backroom deals being slipped under our noses at a rate that we can't even keep up with em'....but other than that whats to talk about.
Guest jeweler jim Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 CJ, As they say, "Let the good times roll."
JD Trampas, SASS # 55781 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Haven't received it yet, everyone around here has there's, I don't yet so I can't comment All for now JD Trampas
Utah Bob #35998 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 AS Col Dan's articles are primarily political, I may discuss them at shoots but never comment on them on The Wire.
Half Fast Rusty Posted February 3, 2011 Author Posted February 3, 2011 I think my main goal was to point the article out and hope that most of you will take the time to read it (when your Chronicle arrives). Keep your powder dry,
SlicLee SASS #16638 Life Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Ill get back to you on about the 13th of the month when my CC arrives
Hacker, SASS #55963 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 For those of you who want to read a similar/complementary article about the same topic here is a link. Is it time for a convention
Shooting Bull Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 AS Col Dan's articles are primarily political, I may discuss them at shoots but never comment on them on The Wire. You talk politics with people that are carrying guns?!?!? You're a braver man than me.
Utah Bob #35998 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 You talk politics with people that are carrying guns?!?!? You're a braver man than me. I pull first.
That Masked Man Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I'll bite. The wise do not discuss such things on the Wire, but as I am not among them (OK, I am "among" them, but not one OF them), at least at the moment, I'll merrily critique the good Colonel's article. Please note that it is not my intent to discuss here politics, but rather, the art of argumentation. First let me say that I agree wholeheartedly with Colonel Dan, but I offer the following for consideration, not as the Devil's advocate, but from the viewpoint of one jaded by too many arguments with too many folks of the opposite opinion. The fundamental weakness of the Colonel's position statement on the coming argument is simply that it rests upon the eternal nature of the truths within the Declaration of Independence. Against one who does not hold those truths to be "self evident", it is ineffective to argue that they are in fact truths and more to the point, eternal ones, on the basis of faith in God; that argument only works with believers. For the atheist, God is neither true nor eternal, so the argument comes apart based on denial of the premise. The cure for this shortcoming is to use an experiential or demonstrable basis for the foundation, rather than any assertion about the Divine. If we can show our opponent the truth of his own nature, it will confirm all that is asserted in this stage - provided our opponent has the perspicacity and insight to come to such realization. (never mind the intellectual honesty to abide by it!) In other words, if we are to "win" the anticipated argument in the hearts and minds of non-believers, we must open their eyes to the essential truth of the Declaration's famous lines by another means. But merely doing that is not enough to preserve the Republic, we must further illuminate the correctness of the position as to the proper role of government; and this is the more difficult stage of the argument. Only the most extreme will argue against the Declaration's self-evident Truths; but more will fail to see how this understanding dictates the proper role of government. Most today are too accustomed to yielding self-determination to authority, and indeed many are out of their 'comfort zone' if there is no authority figure over them providing and enforcing "the rules". Those with such a (lack of) spirit lack confidence in their own ability to behave nobly; and to an even greater degree, lack confidence in others. They therefore yearn for a Master to reign over them, much like the story of the establishment of a King in Samuel 1 - and even those who may trust themselves to self-govern, will be slow to so trust others. Hence the terrible reputation foisted upon the concept of anarchy, but here I begin to discuss politics and find I must refrain. As a note on history and humanity, with respect to the Colonel's thoughts on a Constitutional Convention, let us also remember that we got our current Constitution as a result of a "full rewrite" by delegates who were convened merely to amend the Articles of Confederation. Those who argue this would not be the case today in a convention based on a narrow purpose should take heed: as Acton observed, power tends to corrupt - and what greater power than to author a new Constitution from scratch, for the greatest country on Earth? Nor would those so drunk on power use such an instrument to forever give that power to the People, methinks. Except perhaps as a Mob to be ruled by Demagogues. The good Colonel is right, in my opinion, but I fear we'll need a better argument, or we'll find ourselves in the end resorting to the same 'fallacy' that was necessitated in olden times: to resist by force of arms, and out-last the tyrant by force of will. :FlagAm:
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Bravo!! I couldn't have said it better myself. In fact, I couldn't have said it as well myself!
Utah Bob #35998 Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I'll bite. The wise do not discuss such things on the Wire, but as I am not among them (OK, I am "among" them, but not one OF them), a :FlagAm: It has nothing to do with being wise. It has to do with the Wire guidelines.
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 It has nothing to do with being wise. It has to do with the Wire guidelines.
Madd Mike #8595 Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Maybe I missed it but I am surprised there isn't some comments on Colonel Dan's article in the Chronicle this month. Maybe you all should take a moment and read it. mileage varies I dont read his stuff any more his stuff is beyond my attention span (to long) it would work (what he says) but no way to git there................ today with folks 49% one way and 51% the other even us on the wire!!!! should be a tighter group when it comes to gun rights
DocDisaster # 45431 Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Commenting on an Article that is published in the Official SASS publication is not allowed on the SASS Wire, seems very ironic.... Unfortunately I think the argument is coming eventually. Doc
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