The Original Bad Bob Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 In the movie Tombstone I recall it looked like a "pocket pistol" in a shoulder holster. Anybody know what it was?
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 In the movie Tombstone I recall it looked like a "pocket pistol" in a shoulder holster. Anybody know what it was? Colt 1877 DA "Lightning" (.38 Long Colt) Info on many of the firearms used in TOMBSTONE can be found on the IMFDB website. Peter Sherayko's book "Tombstone: The Guns & Gear" is also a good source. (edited typo... ...thnx Goody)
GunClick Rick Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 This one http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/gunclickrick/OldGun005.jpg He binged a couple fellers over the head with it so i got it some new grip panels http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/gunclickrick/newgrips003.jpg
Trooper John Smith SASS 5561 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 In real life, according to witnesses who testified concerning the OK Corral shootout, he was using what appeared to be a nickel plated revolver, type not specified. Sounds reasonable, and since his occupation might have required quick access while sitting-- possibly with playing cards in one hand, a Colt lightning would have served admirably! Trooper
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 Colt 1878 DA "Lightning" (.38 Long Colt) I think that would be an 1877 Colt Lightning.
Blue Steel Duke Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 I think that would be an 1877 Colt Lightning. Geez, didn't he know that wasn't SASS legal? BSD
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 In the book The Peacemakers - Arms and Adventures in the American West by R.L. Wilson, on page 160 is a picture of a SAA, blued, walnut grips (no cartouche, however, there is a "US" on the frame), 7½ inch barrel. The caption on the photo reads: John H. "Doc" Holliday's Colt Single Action .45 revolver, number 11301. Documenting papers reveal nephew told by his Uncle Doc, on deathbed, that this had been his regular six-gun throughout exploits in the West, the "Shootout at the O.K. Corral" included. The dentist-gambler-saloonkeeper-gunfighter died of tuberculosis, at age thirth-five, 1887.
Wolfgang, SASS #53480 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 This one http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/gunclickrick/OldGun005.jpg He binged a couple fellers over the head with it so i got it some new grip panels http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/gunclickrick/newgrips003.jpg It sure is nice that you aquired Doc Holliday's revolver . . . and that you got it at such a good price Fur a small fee I know someone that will get you a document signed by Holliday his self stating that it was his and giving the serial no. Then you can sell it on Gunbroker and be RICH
Wylie Harp, #21158L Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 The real John Henry "Doc" Holliday was a man who carried guns and had other guns available. In his early western career he carried an 1851 Colt Navy revolver given him by his uncle, John Stiles Holliday. Later Doc carried a nickel-plated .41 caliber Colt Thunderer or a .38 caliber Colt Lightening. ~:Wylie:~
GunClick Rick Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 Real men of history used 45s end of story,you ain't writin i used that wimpy 38 that broke all the time.If i bing Wolfgang tell the papers i used my 1858 buffalo hunter with 12 inch barrel,it will make much better reading... Now where did Wolfy go???
Trailrider #896 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 In the book The Peacemakers - Arms and Adventures in the American West by R.L. Wilson, on page 160 is a picture of a SAA, blued, walnut grips (no cartouche, however, there is a "US" on the frame), 7½ inch barrel. The caption on the photo reads: John H. "Doc" Holliday's Colt Single Action .45 revolver, number 11301. Documenting papers reveal nephew told by his Uncle Doc, on deathbed, that this had been his regular six-gun throughout exploits in the West, the "Shootout at the O.K. Corral" included. The dentist-gambler-saloonkeeper-gunfighter died of tuberculosis, at age thirth-five, 1887. I once saw a Remington O/U Double Derringer that had an inscription on the back of the grip: "To Doc From Kate". A photo of it had also appeared in the softcover book, "Guns of the Gunfighters". The photo didn't show the top of the barrel where the inscriptions are. The caption mentioned that the derringer was given to the hotel keeper after Doc passed in payment of a bill. Only problem with the gun was that when I got a look at it and the inscription style and serial number it had been made at least a year after Doc died! But then maybe it referred to a different "Doc" and "Kate"! Ride easy, but stay alert! Godspeed to those still in harm's way in the defense of Freedom everywhere! God Bless America! Your Pard,
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 In the movie I believe it was a single action Cimarron Thunderer, not a DA Colt.
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 In the movie I believe it was a single action Cimarron Thunderer, not a DA Colt. No, it was a nickled 1877 .38 with ivory grips. I'm not sure if the Cimarron Thunderer existed yet in 1993 when the movie was made. Of course, nobody makes a reproduction of the double-action Lightning and Thunderer, hence Cimarron uses the single action Thunderer for their "Doc" rig with shoulder holster and knife.
The Original Bad Bob Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 No, it was a nickled 1877 .38 with ivory grips. I'm not sure if the Cimarron Thunderer existed yet in 1993 when the movie was made. Of course, nobody makes a reproduction of the double-action Lightning and Thunderer, hence Cimarron uses the single action Thunderer for their "Doc" rig with shoulder holster and knife. They should, and advertise it as "Doc Holliday's pistol" -- I bet they'd sell a million of 'em.
Curley Cole, SASS #56849 Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 Doc's and Mine the pix in the book is the gun that BQ was refering to that was said to be owned by Doc. The gun on top is one of mine that I got as a "kit" many years ago and antiqued and happened to notice how similar they were. good shootin curley
Wolfgang, SASS #53480 Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 I don't doubt that Doc Holliday owned a .45 Caliber Colt . . but he was a "town person" and a gambler . . . a big revolver isn't a practical "carry gun" in town and at a gambling table. A Colt Lightning or a Bulldog were practial for such a person to have as a daily carry pistol. Also as a gambler he probably pawned and reclaimed ( or didn't ) various pistols just as Hickock probably did.
Curley Cole, SASS #56849 Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 According to the Book Tombstone, Guns and Gear, Peter said Doc carried a 4 3/4" inch 1877 Colt in 38. They said that they were fanitacial that if the gun didn't exist on the date of the Gunfight, It would NOT be in the movie. They also said that they researched carefully and put guns in the actors hands that were known to be there, If they couldn't find information, well then they did an "educated" guess.... They were all cool guns. Everyone should read Tombstone, guns and gear.... curley
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 According to the Book Tombstone, Guns and Gear, Peter said Doc carried a 4 3/4" inch 1877 Colt in 38. They said that they were fanitacial that if the gun didn't exist on the date of the Gunfight, It would NOT be in the movie. They also said that they researched carefully and put guns in the actors hands that were known to be there, If they couldn't find information, well then they did an "educated" guess.... They were all cool guns. Everyone should read Tombstone, guns and gear.... curley Curley -- in one scene in the movie, Curt Russell is using the 1878 Colt Double Action. It is in the scene where he threatens to turn Ike Clanton's head into a canoe. Is its use described/explained in the book? I was sort of impressed to see it in the movie as there were no replicas made, so it has to be an original.
Grizzly Dave Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 What kind of pistol did Doc Holiday carry? A loaded one.
Curley Cole, SASS #56849 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Curley -- in one scene in the movie, Curt Russell is using the 1878 Colt Double Action. It is in the scene where he threatens to turn Ike Clanton's head into a canoe. Is its use described/explained in the book? I was sort of impressed to see it in the movie as there were no replicas made, so it has to be an original. I couldn't find mention of that gun, but I didn't fully reread, but many of the guns in the movie were original. Sherm McMasters carried an original 1878 Colt DA in 44/40 fully engraved with full engraving and came from the Mexican Railway There is another 1878 that Wyatt took offJohnny Tyler and given to Milt Joyce to safe keep and was given back to Wyatt when he arrested Curley Bill, which I now think is the one you were refering to... Frank Stillwells Colt was an original fdigit frame with US artilery markings and made in 1874 The drunk that Turkey Creek "dispached from the saloon" carried an open top Merwin with 2 piece pearl grips And of course there were a host of EMF guns too. (Turkey Creeks Remington was modified by Caravan's gunsmith to appear more original by refinishing and removing the cross pin) Ya really ought to get Peter's book, go thru it and then watch the movie again, and again. And I can hardly wait to take Peter up on his invite to tour the Caravan West facilities..... curley
McKenzie River Drifter, #74138 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 In the movie the pistol Doc carried in his sholder holster had a 3 inch barrel. As mentioned, the short barrel would be quick to draw when sitting at a card table. I love that movie and watch it several times a year. McKenzie
Curley Cole, SASS #56849 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 In the movie the pistol Doc carried in his sholder holster had a 3 inch barrel. As mentioned, the short barrel would be quick to draw when sitting at a card table. I love that movie and watch it several times a year. McKenzie Peter lists and shows Doc to have a 4 3/4" Nickel Colt and a 4 3/4" nickel Colt .38 model 1877, both with Ivory grips. His "Double" gun had a smokeless powder frame and the main had a black powder frame mainly for closeups. The original gun disappeared curley
Ivory Jack, #8534 LTG Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Curley -- in one scene in the movie, Curt Russell is using the 1878 Colt Double Action. It is in the scene where he threatens to turn Ike Clanton's head into a canoe. Is its use described/explained in the book? I was sort of impressed to see it in the movie as there were no replicas made, so it has to be an original. That pistol and associated shoulder holster rig, is pictured on page 33 of Tombstone: The Guns and Gear. Here's the description in the book: "This 1878 double-action 7 1/2".45 is nickel-plated with two-piece hard rubber grips. This gun was loaned to Wyatt by Milt Joyce, the Oriental bartender, when he arrested Curly Bill for the killing of Sheriff White. Originally it was to be carried by "that madcap" Johnny Tyler. Taken off him by Wyatt and give to Milt Joyce for safe keeping."
J-BAR #18287 Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 A quick review of Karen Holliday Tanner's book, "Doc Holliday, A Family Portrait", reveals that Doc's uncle bought 4 matching 1851 Colt Navies and gave one to each of his three sons and his nephew, John Henry (Doc)Holliday, shortly after Doc graduated from dental college in 1872. They reportedly practiced marksmanship with these revolvers. That gun remains in the author's collection. Her description of the OK Corral gunfight says Doc used a "pistol" after the shotgun, but does not identify the gun more than that. In 1884, in Leadville, Colorado, two years after the OK Corral dust up, she reports that Doc used a ".41 Colt" in a gunfight at Hyman's saloon. He had a friend stash the gun at a card table because he could not afford the fine if he were caught carrying a gun. No way to tell if it was the same one he carried in Arizona.
The Indiana kidd Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 heres the link that show all the guns used in Tombstone. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Tombstone I like to look up different movies on this site to see what kind of guns are used. "I got two guns, one for each of you". -The Kidd
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