el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 30 years or so ago I used to be able to find nice, heavy wool pants for everyday wear. I don't see them anymore. Does anyone have a source for heavy wool pants without belt loops, for CAS? Muchas gracias, eGG
Mean Matt McCord, SASS #24683 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 River Junction sells them. http://www.riverjunction.com/Trousers_c_14.html
Whiskey James SASS 85199 Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Amigo, There are a lot of surplus wool pants available on sites such as http://www.sportsmansguide.com Mostly European. If you can find the old issued US green wool pants they would work well. Most wool pants can have the belt loops removed and with some "massaging" of the belt loop area, the stitch holes can't be seen. Did you get the stage changes I sent? Whiskey
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Pard, If you find some and remove the belt loops, I recommend putting a dab of "fray check" (you can get it at fabric and crafts stores) on the inside of the pants where the stitches were as wool can be somewhat ravely. Regards, Allie Mo
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 hamilton dry goods and coon creek old west can square u away as well Kinda like the surplus recommendation as well they usually have grey and green
Pay Dirt Norvelle #90056 Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Try some of the on line Civil War Sutlers. There should something there that will be good for you.
Painted Filly Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 El Gato, What Cass can't make you any? LOL Filly
Blastmaster Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Let us try this again. Filson makes 24oz - 100% Mackinaw wool pants with belt loops and suspender buttons. Green or Charcoal in color. Made in the USA. There you go. Doesn't get any better than that!! Buy American. www.Filson.com since 1897. Say something else great was introduced to the Shooters in 1897 by a clan named Winchester. Blastmaster Edit: You said w/o belt loops. Why?? Anyway, a sharp knife or sissors can make that modification.
Christopher Carson Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Let us try this again. Filson makes 24oz - 100% Mackinaw wool pants with belt loops and suspender buttons. Green or Charcoal in color. Made in the USA. There you go. Doesn't get any better than that!! Buy American. www.Filson.com since 1897. Say something else great was introduced to the Shooters in 1897 by a clan named Winchester. Blastmaster Edit: You said w/o belt loops. Why?? Anyway, a sharp knife or sissors can make that modification. Filson makes good stuff. I have one of their wool Mackinaw Cruiser jackets, been wearing it for 30 years, looks new. -Chris
Dusty Morningwood Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Early photos from the 1860s show plaid looking patterns. Go to a vintage clothing store and see what you can find on the rack from the 70s. I had some pretty hideous pants in those days.
Doc Windshadow Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Surplus US issue "Pinks" can be very good value though hard to find in very large sizes
Doc Coles SASS 1188 Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 You said w/o belt loops. Why?? Anyway, a sharp knife or sissors can make that modification. Belt loops were not a common feature in 19th century pants because the belt was not commonly used to hold up your pants. Suspenders were the norm and there is no point to wearing both suspenders and a belt. In fact, there is an old joke/phrase about a man wearing both suspenders and a belt, the point being that any man who would do that is way too uptight. Belts tended to serve other functions, such as carrying your gun, knife etc. They also had a military overtone, there is an old phrase "10,000 men belted for war," that indicates that the belt was an item associated with warfare and belts, even without any other equipment, were part of military dress clothing but in no circumstance did the military belt of the 19th century serve to hold up the pants. 19th century soldiers, like just about everyone else of the era, used suspenders. Another reason why belts were not common is how 19th century men's pants were cut; the tops were much higher up than modern pants, a style that is much more flattering on men with any kind of belly, so the belt (if it had been in use) would have been up around the belly button and could not have effectively kept the pants up. Suspenders did the job perfectly.
Fairshake Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 I purchased some very nice wool pants from a Civil War sutler in Houston. They were only about $45 but do have to be dry cleaned.
el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted January 22, 2011 Author Posted January 22, 2011 El Gato, What Cass can't make you any? LOL Filly Costume sewing around here is usually MY job. Right now, though, we are actually tag-teaming a bustle outfit for Cass to wear at Winter Range. Underskirt is done, bodice 1/3 done, and overskirt yet to do. No time to make wool trousers for this caballero. eGG
el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted January 23, 2011 Author Posted January 23, 2011 Amigo, There are a lot of surplus wool pants available on sites such as http://www.sportsmansguide.com Mostly European. If you can find the old issued US green wool pants they would work well. Most wool pants can have the belt loops removed and with some "massaging" of the belt loop area, the stitch holes can't be seen. Did you get the stage changes I sent? Whiskey Si! I hope to get them modified in the morning. eGG
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Costume sewing around here is usually MY job. Right now, though, we are actually tag-teaming a bustle outfit for Cass to wear at Winter Range. Underskirt is done, bodice 1/3 done, and overskirt yet to do. No time to make wool trousers for this caballero. eGG
Blastmaster Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Filson makes good stuff. I have one of their wool Mackinaw Cruiser jackets, been wearing it for 30 years, looks new. -Chris I ended up having three of the double Mackinaw Cruser's. Filson has class.
Blastmaster Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Belt loops were not a common feature in 19th century pants because the belt was not commonly used to hold up your pants. Suspenders were the norm and there is no point to wearing both suspenders and a belt. In fact, there is an old joke/phrase about a man wearing both suspenders and a belt, the point being that any man who would do that is way too uptight. Belts tended to serve other functions, such as carrying your gun, knife etc. They also had a military overtone, there is an old phrase "10,000 men belted for war," that indicates that the belt was an item associated with warfare and belts, even without any other equipment, were part of military dress clothing but in no circumstance did the military belt of the 19th century serve to hold up the pants. 19th century soldiers, like just about everyone else of the era, used suspenders. Another reason why belts were not common is how 19th century men's pants were cut; the tops were much higher up than modern pants, a style that is much more flattering on men with any kind of belly, so the belt (if it had been in use) would have been up around the belly button and could not have effectively kept the pants up. Suspenders did the job perfectly. Doc, Thanks for the explanation and very educational. I kinda knew it but it is always good to hear it again. I see yer from Alaska and I don't know if you guys relax your dress code in extreme cold but where I shoot, we do, With that said, belt loops on pants, wool pants, moom boots and anything else to keep you warm is encourage. Just be there and have fun is the motto. I keep my belt loops on the pants and wear a belt with my woolies/pants along with wearing suspenders. The belt keeps by CCW holster in place while going to/leaving a SASS event and the suspenders keeps CCW/pants/wallet/keys/cell phone/pocket change/pocket knife/pocket watch 'up".
el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted January 23, 2011 Author Posted January 23, 2011 Our dress code is pretty relaxed in the winter, also. Not that we take ANYONE to task for inappropriate wear. It is more a case of lead by example. January 1st, when the high temp was Oo's, I wore warm clothes with my vaquero jacket. But I strive to dress the part, and when I saw Whiskey James's wool trousers, I just had to have some. Looks like the River Junction woolies are what I am seeking. muchas gracias, todos eGG
Slo Smoke SASS #19988 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I bought a pair from Cabelas 2 wks ago. Black, 100% wool, and warm!!
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