Cemetery Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Found a copy of the bill that Sen McCarthy plans on introducing next week here; http://www.scribd.com/doc/46829434/Mccarthy-Magazine-Bill Not sure, but after reading this, it appears to me that mag tubes won't even be able to hold more then 10 in any type of gun.
DocDisaster # 45431 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 It will not go anywhere..............
Cemetery Posted January 14, 2011 Author Posted January 14, 2011 It will not go anywhere.............. I hope you're correct, but Sen Lautenberg is gonna introduce something as well.
DocDisaster # 45431 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Knee jerk reactions, they will not go anywhere...
Uno Mas SASS #80082 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 It'll help if we stuff that foolishness HARD
Irish Red OToole, #48939 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 If you will remmeber, just last November the Republicans took over the House with a HUGE majority (60 seats). The House will NEVER pass any such legislation, so the Senate can thump their chests all they want but it won't go anywhere.
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Even Pelousy said any of this stuff was a non-starter. That was when they held both houses. Even they realize it's impossible to stop a determined, suicidal nutjob with a piece of paper.
Manatee Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Well, personally I don't believe that extended 30-round magazines in a semi-auto are something that should be available to anyone, law enforcement and military included. I don't stock them or sell them.
Montana Slick, SASS #64415 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Well, personally I don't believe that extended 30-round magazines in a semi-auto are something that should be available to anyone, law enforcement and military included. I don't stock them or sell them. +1
Danite SASS #27034 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Well, personally I don't believe that extended 30-round magazines in a semi-auto are something that should be available to anyone, law enforcement and military included. I don't stock them or sell them. I can understand an argument against civilian use, or perhaps even police use. But where in the &(^&** do you come off saying you would limit our military in the number of rounds that they can carry and shoot? A belt fed M60 and I'm sure that the magazine fed SAWs will shoot as long as they are fed bullets. Are you going to get our enemies to limit their rounds as well????? That may well be the stupidest thing that I have ever read on this wire. It reads semi autos but in the military what is the difference? You need all of the bullets you can put down range no matter what you are shooting. I'm sorry soldier, you have fired your 20 now you will have to change magazines. Roll up on your side, expose your self and reload. Stupid.
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Well, personally I don't believe that extended 30-round magazines in a semi-auto are something that should be available to anyone, law enforcement and military included. I don't stock them or sell them. Really, You obviously haven't shot a full auto Glock have you. It's very hard to control with a stock mag. The long mag makes it much more controllable.
Manatee Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Nate: We aren't talking about over-the-counter sales of Glock 18's. Danite: What in the hell are you talking about? I mention 30 round extended pistol mags in the US and you turn this into a world-wide ban and Me proposing to take away your Risk game too? And since when has the military been authorized to operate within the borders of the US? Take some meds and then read the proposal by McCarthy. She's talking about 10 rounders. I'm not.
Danite SASS #27034 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Nate: We aren't talking about over-the-counter sales of Glock 18's. Danite: What in the hell are you talking about? I mention 30 round extended pistol mags in the US and you turn this into a world-wide ban and Me proposing to take away your Risk game too? Take some meds and then re-read what I wrote. If you still don't understand, perhaps you never intended to. I am so sorry. Where you do you limit the "military" to pistol mags in the US in your post? For that matter where you limit it to pistol magazines? I'm on my meds. Perhaps you should read them twice before posting them. It doesn't say what you now want it to say.....
Manatee Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Well, it's a magazine....which kinda limits it from the universe of all weapons like belt-feeds, etc. Then I said "semi-auto"....which pretty much takes the military out of it. Yah, they have semi-auto Beretta 92's.....
Capt.Fox ,SASS #10809 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 So why don’t we make a list of items that the holier than thou’s don’t like and just ban the lot of them? It always amaze’s me the kind of garbage that people will try and impose on other people just because they (being smarter and wiser than us Neanderthals) don’t like something. If you don’t like it then don’t buy it, use it, go there or eat it but don’t try to force your narrow minded point of view down everyone else’s throat. IMHO
Danite SASS #27034 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Well, it's a magazine....which kinda limits it from the universe of all weapons like belt-feeds, etc. Then I said "semi-auto"....which pretty much takes the military out of it. Yah, they have semi-auto Beretta 92's..... Pretty much takes the military out of it, except that you specifically named the military. I'm gone.....
Smithy Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 It will not go anywhere.............. Other posts have mentioned not being concerned with what California does with its laws as it having no bearing on the rest of the folks. Well, this is a prime example of what people have been trying to say. Us Californian's with our 10 round only ban and now look it's trying to go national and you can bet our two yahoo senator's will jump on the bandwagon as soon as they can. Smithy.
Manatee Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Depends on how you classify the Nat'l Guard when they're at home here in the US.........and I'm old enough to remember Kent State and still remember gun confiscation after Katrina.
Six-Gun Stan Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Yeah, this bill's going nowhere. I'll be notifying my representative to oppose it, although I'm sure he already does. I'm personally a fan of big magazines, keep em coming! Forget the police, every citizen should be able to buy them, just as they can today.
Rowdy-Finn Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Yeah, I can see the nut-job now, down in his basement sitting at his little work-bench. He's got the newspaper clippings and photos of his prey pinned up on the wall, stack of rambling writings on the desk with the "last letter" placed on top of the stack, the necessary bus-route and times are highlighted on his schedule, he's feeling a tingling sensation coursing through his body because, today's the day, the day he fixes everything, the day he gets even!!!! Only now, he's got a problem!? The 33 round hi-cap mag. that he got from that crackhead downtown, who needed some bucks for his habit, has recently been banned by Congress !!!? He picks up his freshly cleaned semi-auto pistol and cradles it in his hands, he inserts the empty 33 rounder and slowly raises the gun up to eye level, he places the front sight carefully on a picture up on the wall, slowly he squeezes the trigger till he hears that satisfying click. Suddenly he swings the pistol to the right and clicks on the water-heater, the old suitcase, the tennis racket, the pile of newspapers, click-click-click-click, Wow!! He's ready. He lowers the gun and dejectedly removes the 33 rounder. "If only these were legal!!" he thinks to himself, throwing the 33 rounder into the trash bin he turns and picks up the four brand new 10 rd. mags he purchased recently. He sits down and muttering to himself, places the cartridges in each one till he has four fully loaded 10 rd. mags ready to go. He puts the gun and the mags in his little carry-all bag and heads for the stairs shaking his head slowly and talking to himself as he heads up the stairs, "if only they were still legal, if only!!!" Yeah, SURE!! A hi-cap ban will fix everything!! NOT!!! WAKE UP IDIOTS !!!!!!!!! The 2nd Amendment's intent was that We The People should have the right to carry the same rifle or pistol that the soldier carried. That means a select-fire M4!!! If ya' want to BAN something!!! BAN schools without BIBLES and we might get somewhere!!! Jus' my .02
Doc Misalot Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Amen Rowdy. The intent of the 2nd A was that we should be able to defend ourselves from the govt. Law abiding citizens should be able to purchase short barreled rifles, suppressors (without tax stamp) and select fire guns. (We can thank the nut job in AZ for delaying the suppressor tax being reduced or removed.) I've given this some thought and guns may not be our biggest concern regarding govt. control. The govt's ability to monitor and track us may be the biggest threat to freedom. They have made full use of fear since 9/11 as an excuse for additional monitoring of law abiding citizens. Stay safe. Doc
Rowdy-Finn Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Amen Rowdy. The intent of the 2nd A was that we should be able to defend ourselves from the govt. Law abiding citizens should be able to purchase short barreled rifles, suppressors (without tax stamp) and select fire guns. (We can thank the nut job in AZ for delaying the suppressor tax being reduced or removed.) I've given this some thought and guns may not be our biggest concern regarding govt. control. The govt's ability to monitor and track us may be the biggest threat to freedom. They have made full use of fear since 9/11 as an excuse for additional monitoring of law abiding citizens. Stay safe. Doc You too Doc.
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Oh great - now we have some folks here that feel that the problem is extended mags. It's people behind the product that's the real problem. GG ~
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Well, personally I don't believe that extended 30-round magazines in a semi-auto are something that should be available to anyone, law enforcement and military included. I don't stock them or sell them. Then I'll spend my $$$ some place else....... WHY in hell do you want to limit our military and police? Oh-BTW our military has weapons that are belt-fed.....You want to take those too? Were do you come up with this CRAP? 30+ round mags do not make you a danger to anyone Respectfully, LG
Capt.Fox ,SASS #10809 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 "With hearts fortified with these animating reflections, we most solemnly, before God and the world, declare, that, exerting the utmost energy of those powers, which our beneficent Creator hath graciously bestowed upon us(33rd magazines or?), the arms we have compelled by our enemies to assume, we will, in defiance of every hazard, with unabating firmness and perseverance employ for the preservation of our liberties; being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live as slaves." --John Dickinson & Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of the Cause and Necessity of Taking up Arms, 1775 What if the British had been successful in taking away our “ASSAULT” weapons of the day? The whole purpose for the 2nd was because they had just fought the best armed and trained army in the world and they understood the need for state of the art or the best arms available. I don’t think the people back then would have stood for a ban on “ASSAULT” powder horns, “no you pesky pilgrims can’t have the ability “speed” reload your muskets, you have to haul around the whole keg.
John E. Law Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 As I recall the last Hi-Cap mag ban didn't do anything to reduce crime, so what's this one supposed to accomplish? Only more gun control which is just another step in trying to obtain more and more. The last one just increased the cost of my work mags. As I recall they were triple the price for the "LEO Use Only" mags. I can also give a number of scenerios where law enforcement should have and/or need Hi-Caps so that comment about LEO and Military is just plain dumb. IMHO JEL
Manatee Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 I don't think the problem is extended mags, I just think they're not being used currently for their intended purpose: G18's. Where are all of the 1911 boys? I know I feel a lot more comfortable with my 7 or 8 round 1911 mags and a 45 than carrying 30 in a 9mm. If you really need a 30 round mag, then you need either: 1) a different firearm, 2) better training, 3) more range time, or 4) glasses. And you California boys....aren't you limited to 10 rounds now? Your protesting here isn't worth the electrons you wasted typing a response. I'm really surprised at the insults being hurled. Frankly, it speaks of paranoia and a lack of testicles. Be glad to discuss this with any of you flamers in person.
Henry T Harrison Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 30+ round mags do not make you a danger to anyone Actually in this rare case it probably did make a difference, had he needed to make a couple of mag changes the carnage might have been lessened. The issue isn’t always as clear as we would like it to be. It’s not me that you need to convince I’m pro gun already and a life member of the NRA, it’s that non committed soccer mom and little league dad that you need to worry about. How do you explain to them that there is a need for 32 round mags? Show me one instance anytime any place where any civilian needed a 32 round magazine to defend themselves or their home. I’m willing to bet that the eight rounds in my 1911 are all that I will ever need. When you advocate what people see as extreme views they see you as an extremist and you lose credibility. Do 32 round mags make you a danger? Probably not, do you really need a 32 round mag? Not likely. As rare as it is I’m with Manatee on this one HTH
Dusty Balz, SASS#46599 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 "Never waste a good crisis" as disgusting as this mentality is, that's the way they think and jumping on this tragedy allows them to pursue their goal of dis arming America. it will start with simple restrictions and move from there. The deranged puke that committed this heinous act would only show up with multiple weapons or magazines, as Rowdy Finn mentioned above, he would drop his hi capacity mag and leave it because it was against the law. Last I heard murder is already against the law. When the bad man decides he will do harm, it just a question of how he plans to carry it out, laws will not stop him. As a far as a 33 round magazine? I don't have one, don't need one, but damn sure don't want anyone to tell me I can't have one.
Rowdy-Finn Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 "Never waste a good crisis" as disgusting as this mentality is, that's the way they think and jumping on this tragedy allows them to pursue their goal of dis arming America. it will start with simple restrictions and move from there. The deranged puke that committed this heinous act would only show up with multiple weapons or magazines, as Rowdy Finn mentioned above, he would drop his hi capacity mag and leave it because it was against the law. Last I heard murder is already against the law. When the bad man decides he will do harm, it just a question of how he plans to carry it out, laws will not stop him. As a far as a 33 round magazine? I don't have one, don't need one, but damn sure don't want anyone to tell me I can't have one. Right on Dusty Balz. You hit the nail on the head. If you agree to let em' have the 33 rd./9 mm mag cause nobody needs one unless they have a G18, then guess what, they don't think you need a semi-auto .45. OOOH !! Look how BIG those bullets are!! I can't believe we got "Cowboys?" on this wire that would support any such bill!!! I don't have or want a 33 rd. mag for my G19 that I carry around but I do like the 15 rd. mag that it comes with!! If you read the bill it don't like the 15 rd. mags either. I thought when I went to a Cowboy Match I was amongst 2nd Amendment folks like myself but it's obvious that's not been the case!? Guess I'll keep my cards a little closer to the vest from now on. You never know who you're dealin' with I guess. One thing I do know though is none of my IPSC/USPSA/3-GUN buddies would support or even try and persuade someone about the merits of any firearms/mag bans. Now I know why I didn't give it up to shoot Cowboy only. Who knew!!!???
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 I still have the "pre-ban" stuff I bought when the last bunch of knotheads said "thou shalt not" back in the 90s. I bought em just because they said I couldn't have em (and in NY they are still banned as we and 5 other states labor under the clonton-era mirror bans). That's OK, because folks made money and continue to make money trading the pre-ban stuff.... Guns and parts are not eggs, you can't "poof" em out of existance when they reach an expiration date. All ya do is drive the price up AND support a black market (kinda like Prohibition built the MOB, and all that rot).
Black Harris #154 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 This is probably a good time to close the thread and let tempers cool. Thanks BH
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