John Boy Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Why so many times is the SASSnet server down? Of all the forums on the Internet that are firearms, CAS and casting related ... SASSnet is the worst for response times
Rio Brazos Kid Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 John is absolutely correct. This and all associated forums is to say the least, a total disaster. Wait times can get a long as 20 min. just to access a forum, or a subject on a forum. Completely unreasonable. One of the reasons for paying SASS dues is to get full access to the forums. At this point is isn't worth the price. Things are getting worse, not better. Please tell us just what you are doing to alleviate this problem, or is the intent to do nothing ??? Inquiring minds want to know. RBK
Church Key, SASS # 33713 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 The odd thing is that SASSNET.com works OK, while the Wire is not functioning. It's especially annoying when trying to deal with buying/selling and attempting to keep some actions current.
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Once again, cubic dollars. IF and when they get a sidebar and bottom banner running on all the wire's pages that is PAYING the freight, (commericals run TV, banners and sidebars run the net) they will HAVE TO provide better service AND the money will be there to do so. Eyeball the guns and ammo site for a model that actually works, (but they went through birthing pains when it was a low rent set-up under the previous owners as well) AND, it don't have to be the same beleagered advertizers who fund the CC. A look at the above-mentioned site shows truck-makers, RV companies, all sorts of outdoor-related "stuff" advertized, because (DUH!), they realize we who buy and shoot guns hunt, and travel, and buy LOTS of other stuff as well.
Col. Nathan C. Riddles, SASS # 7462 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Another example of a forum that works & works very well is The Open Range. It's time to bring the Wire out of the twentieth century & into the 21st.
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I had such high hopes for the Open Range but it is absolutely moribund. I can go there once a month and be caught up in 5 minutes. Heck the bottom post may be months old. The newest post may be days old. Not so the SASS wire. If it's working you have to check it everyday to stay on top of things or you may miss something. Especially a controversial thread where it can go poof at any time. I have no problem with ads on here to get the funds to get this thing fixed. After all, that's the capitalist i.e. American way. I'm surprised the WB hasn't done it yet. They always seem to be old style capitalists otherwise.
Wily Yankee Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Once again, cubic dollars. IF and when they get a sidebar and bottom banner running on all the wire's pages that is PAYING the freight, (commericals run TV, banners and sidebars run the net) they will HAVE TO provide better service AND the money will be there to do so. Eyeball the guns and ammo site for a model that actually works, (but they went through birthing pains when it was a low rent set-up under the previous owners as well) AND, it don't have to be the same beleagered advertizers who fund the CC. A look at the above-mentioned site shows truck-makers, RV companies, all sorts of outdoor-related "stuff" advertized, because (DUH!), they realize we who buy and shoot guns hunt, and travel, and buy LOTS of other stuff as well. So you're saying the only way for the SASS wire forum to be better equiped is to have outside advirtising on it? How about putting money where it's needed. Don't tell me that SASS can't spend a few thousand dollars to upgrade the equipment without selling advirtising space. I don't believe that!
Guest diablo slim shootist Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Lets just go back to the telegraph -it was faster than the SASS wire
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 So you're saying the only way for the SASS wire forum to be better equiped is to have outside advirtising on it? How about putting money where it's needed. Don't tell me that SASS can't spend a few thousand dollars to upgrade the equipment without selling advirtising space. I don't believe that! I've been schooled to believe that "virtual" real estate isn't free, nor that firehose called "bandwidth" to access it. Given that we're told much of the SASS annual dues goes to fund the CC, and there is scant advertizing done via the Wire (the little front door piece almost doesn't count, as nobody goes there), we MIGHT get a better wire if SASS saw it as a REVENUE STREAM, and not just a sop tossed to the masses at the company's expense. If it was a money-making cow instead of a pet, they might invest in it's efficiency.
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 It's no so bad if you log on at 2:00 in the morning. Dinner to bedtime at 6:00 to 10:00 ... forget it. The technology has gotten so inexpensive nowadays there's no excuse not to upgrade. This is intolerable.
Lightnin Rick SASS #43246 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 And you gave the "Newbe drivel" a hard time. see site http://www.commonwealth.com/insight/slow_sites.html
Long Branch Louie Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Somebody suggested a while back that everybody contribute a $1.00 and dedicate the money for purchase of more bandwidth. If SASS would set up a way to do it, I'd give my dollar. Lots of times I give up and move on. How 'bout it folks???
John Boy Posted January 7, 2011 Author Posted January 7, 2011 I had such high hopes for the Open Range but it is absolutely moribund. I can go there once a month and be caught up in 5 minutes. Heck the bottom post may be months old. The newest post may be days old.Not so the SASS wire. If it's working you have to check it everyday to stay on top of things or you may miss something. Especially a controversial thread where it can go poof at any time. Since Lone Dog put an off topic comment unrelated to the subject of the thread, let me respond. "I can go there once a month and be caught up in 5 minutes." ... the primary reason is TOR has Stickeys and Reference Libraries for many of the Categories. The posts stay in these threads for years and are not dropped. The Wire has no Stickeys and Libraries and all threads are dropped after 30 days ... necessitating a multitude of subsequent re-posts on the same topic. Examples of multi viewed topics instead of multi posted topics: Historical Photo round-up ... viewed 43,261 times The Saga of My .... Taurus Thunderbolt ... viewed 20,851 times Black Powder Lubes ... What's Your Favorite? ... viewed 16,916 times The Top 10 Topics on TOR have been viewed 230,910 times How many times has the topic about the Taurus be posted on the Wire? Nearly every month and it is the same generic comments This is why ... "Not so the SASS wire. If it's working you have to check it everyday to stay on top of things or you may miss something." Next ... "Especially a controversial thread where it can go poof at any time." The Open Range does not have many posters that make or add to 'controversial' threads. The "Mavericks" were banned a long time ago. And if a poster wants to blow off steam unrelated to the purpose of the forum, there are these catagories: The Outhouse Off the Reservation Plus the The Saddletramp Saloon where just good conversation can be had In addition, there is a capability to initiate Polls, read the Stickeys and Libraries for good techincal information about a multitude of subjects. Since these attributes of the forum are in place, one doesn't have to ... check it everyday to stay on top of things or you may miss something.
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 The technology has gotten so inexpensive nowadays there's no excuse not to upgrade. This is intolerable. Isn't that what they did a year or two ago?? Welcome to the new and improved SASS wire Jefro
GunClick Rick Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Powered By IP.Board 2.3.5 © 2011 IPS, Inc. click that write them an email,saying you will write a song about bad service and put it on youtube. as always POWER IS THE PEOPLE! Right down there at the bottom.Just click on it..
GunClick Rick Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Go over to cascity much more fun,you can even post a real picture instead of a link,they have a nice classifieds,different forums listed,just go there and check out the leather the gals and guys make,something new everyday.Start at The Longbranch forum and work you way up..http://www.cascity.com you'll see I did call my lawyer though,they will have heard enough when the famous J.Noble Dagget has dealings with them. Pop over and say howdy to Ten Wolves,the Marshall and the Marshallette
Col. Nathan C. Riddles, SASS # 7462 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 TOR is powered by Powered by SMF 1.1.12 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC The WB should check it out.
Mad Dog Jack, SASS #77862 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I had such high hopes for the Open Range but it is absolutely moribund. I can go there once a month and be caught up in 5 minutes. Heck the bottom post may be months old. The newest post may be days old. Not so the SASS wire. If it's working you have to check it everyday to stay on top of things or you may miss something. Especially a controversial thread where it can go poof at any time. I have no problem with ads on here to get the funds to get this thing fixed. After all, that's the capitalist i.e. American way. I'm surprised the WB hasn't done it yet. They always seem to be old style capitalists otherwise. I couldn't have said it better. There are other places to go that don't have the issues we have here, just not the info turnover we have. I have talked to a new shooter who expressed concerns about SASS because of the problems they have had with connecting to this forum, this kind of problem doesn't, IMHO, set the best example of SASS to people checking it out online at the wrong time. I can see a place for ads here, hopefully tastefully done, as a venue for, among others, our fellow shooters who have businesses they might want us to see.
Steeldust Dan, SASS #2631Life Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 As frustrated as I get sometimes in the evenings when trying to access the SASS Wire this total lack of acknowledgement by the Powers That Be is appalling. I've seen only one "official" response, several weeks ago, stating there was no problem with speed or access on that person's end. SASS, there is a problem. Please publicly acknowledge it as fact. Then tells us what you intend to do. That might be "maintain the status quo." It might be "we are investigating alternatives, including updating the software, purchasing larger or faster servers...." It just makes good business sense, as a membership organization, to keep your membership informed. Contrary to what you might think, most of us are reasonable people who may just be involved in similar issues in our other lives. We understand technology upgrades can be extremely expensive. Projects can be time-consuming to implement. Telling us nothing gives the appearance you have your heads stuck in the sand. I don't believe that is so, so prove it. So, SASS, what is it? Steeldust Dan
THE CALHOUN COUNTY BA Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 The odd thing is that SASSNET.com works OK, while the Wire is not functioning. It's especially annoying when trying to deal with buying/selling and attempting to keep some actions current. Tell em +1 for me CCBA
ShadowCatcher Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Why so many times is the SASSnet server down? Of all the forums on the Internet that are firearms, CAS and casting related ... SASSnet is the worst for response times One thing that I wonder about is what am I paying for this service? Forget whatever entitlement I may think I have - what am I paying for this? There are many other web sites that provide all kinds of useful answers, as has been well explained here above, but for this SASS provided site - what am I paying? I know - it's a rhetorical question - I just find it amusing how we have come to depend on the free service they provide, to the point that we actually complain and find it intolerable if it is slow. Maybe they should shut it down for a few weeks and clean out the garbage, and do a few other maintenance things . . . Ah well - I'll be over at TOR reading more about loading BP for a while - they have some useful reloading data to start looking at . . . . SC
John Boy Posted January 7, 2011 Author Posted January 7, 2011 Un-Connected the Dots ... * SASS Affiliated Merchants Application... http://www.sassnet.com/Affiliated-Merchants-001A.php (SASS Link that the WB offers for free) * Affiliated Merchants ... http://www.sassnet.com/Affiliated-Merchants-001A.php It’s Simple. Become a SASS Supporting Store and we’ll refer our members directly to you…at no cost to you! SASS Link (with telephone numbers only: no website addresses or email) that very few, if any Wire folks go to because they are always asking 'Where Can I...' sort of posts on the Wire * Board Statistics - We have 30,570 registered members Add, the unknown number of Lurkers and that's one huge audience for a single website! OK, let's Connect the Dots: * Coyote Calhoun, SASS Marketing Director, contacts all the SASS Affiliated Merchants, *** Would you want to be a Sponsor of the SASS Forums? The Wild Bunch will put your business up under a static link on the Wire, including your telephone number, email address and website. Plus, you provide a short description of your sutler products that our registered members can view and purchase. [/b] * Coyote Calhoun might also want to think about setting up the Classifieds with a Sponsor Vendors Only so they can post their available sales and monthly letter specials like we receive in emails from them End Product: The vendors are listed on the Wire (not in a remote link on the SASSnet) for easy viewing (kind of like, in our faces ). They provide SASS with a nominal annual fee to be listed as a Wire Sponsor. The WB has a source of funding to provide a website that is not Slow and Preclude the multiple number of down times that folks are experiencing now and in prior periods to the registered members and lurkers! For CAS folks that have been around awhile, remember the Frontier Spot? We had such a category on the forum, with the Sutlers listed by product type. Only difference, they were listed for FREE! In addition, we also had a Poll for each Sutler to record them as Plus or Minus and the capability to post their experiences with any of them. The Poll also provided folks on the Frontier Spot with an indication of the popular vendors. Net effect ... None of the 'Where Can I ...' posts also.
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 We all know there is a problem and the moderators must know it too. But how about the Wild Bunch, the mentioned "powers to be"? I've seen it in the CC and the wire that Tex never looks here. Don't know about any of the rest, but it is really sad if this is true. This forum has a lot of very useful information and I have sold many cowboy related items here, but it takes just to damn long to get to where I want to go. Last night I gave up after 15 minutes of staring at the same inert screen
THE CALHOUN COUNTY BA Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Why so many times is the SASSnet server down? Of all the forums on the Internet that are firearms, CAS and casting related ... SASSnet is the worst for response times the sass wire is getting worse not better. If you are into a trade or selling or buying best to go to email or wait till next day for answer. sometimes I think anti gun people are targeting the wire with worms, CCBA
Olen Rugged Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Lets just go back to the telegraph -it was faster than the SASS wire Yah, but the graphics suck. Olen
THE CALHOUN COUNTY BA Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Why so many times is the SASSnet server down? Of all the forums on the Internet that are firearms, CAS and casting related ... SASSnet is the worst for response times I called the sass office today and I was told they did not know there is a problem getting on the wire. go figure. CCBA
GunClick Rick Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 One thing that I wonder about is what am I paying for this service? Forget whatever entitlement I may think I have - what am I paying for this? There are many other web sites that provide all kinds of useful answers, as has been well explained here above, but for this SASS provided site - what am I paying? I know - it's a rhetorical question - I just find it amusing how we have come to depend on the free service they provide, to the point that we actually complain and find it intolerable if it is slow. Maybe they should shut it down for a few weeks and clean out the garbage, and do a few other maintenance things . . . Ah well - I'll be over at TOR reading more about loading BP for a while - they have some useful reloading data to start looking at . . . . SC Facebook is free too.No problems.And you can bet sass is on that.It's about honor,if i supply something free or not it's gonna work period.THE COWBOY WAY!
Blue Steel Traveller Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Been on the wire for almost 5 years now and have NEVER had a problem connecting either to the SASS homepage OR using the wire itself. It very well could be your ISP that has the problem with interconnects, domain name resolution or any number of other technical possibilities. For me it runs fine, lasts a long time. No complaints here.
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Been on the wire for almost 5 years now and have NEVER had a problem connecting either to the SASS homepage OR using the wire itself. It very well could be your ISP that has the problem with interconnects, domain name resolution or any number of other technical possibilities. For me it runs fine, lasts a long time. No complaints here. The problem is frequent and widespread, across all sorts of ISPs and locations from which cowboys try to connect. If you've been lucky, great, but the problems are known, even to SASS itself. It ain't "us"
Red River Ray SASS#33254 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 In tha last week there has been as many times I couldn't get on here as I got on!!! Click on a topic get up go get a beer come back and it still not be open ta see. RRR
GunClick Rick Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Nope just called my ISP had them check,no problems. http://www.invisionpower.com/company/contact.php ~RIDE BOLDLY RIDE~
Matthew Duncan Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Given that we're told much of the SASS annual dues goes to fund the CC... Wonder where the gold came from to buy the New Mexico ranch?
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Wonder where the gold came from to buy the New Mexico ranch? Don't think you want to go there...I remember when they were running big promos in the CC for members to "buy in" as special members of Founders Ranch. Special discounted camping, etc,etc,etc. Don't think it went over to well...wern't cheap as I rmember.
Guest Coyote Calhoun, SASS #201 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I hear your pain. I do not know what has been going on with the SASS Wire but I will find the problem with it. I don't visit the wire too much and rely on others to give me the status. It seems as if we have had our share of problems. We are planning an upgrade to the newest version of IP Forums with in the next week or so but obviously this is not the only problem. Please be a bit more patient and I will get the problem solved. Thanks
John Boy Posted January 8, 2011 Author Posted January 8, 2011 Given that we're told much of the SASS annual dues goes to fund the CC Jack, here's some factual numbers to hang your hat on: PS Form 3526, September 2010, USPS Statement of Ownership, Management and Circulation (All Periodicals Publications ...) Line 6: Annual Subscription Price - $45 Total Average Annual Paid Subscriptions (year ending Sep 2010) ... 27,168 x $45 = $1,222,560 Paid Distribution, Nearest Filing Date (Sep 2010) ... 26,451 x $45 = $1,190,295 (Looks like membership is dropping!) Advertising Revenue from Vendors for each month Subscription ...Unknown CC Advertising Rates and Info ... http://www.sassnet.com/chronicle/index.php CirculationFrequency: 12 issues/year Circulation......30,000 Readership......75,000 NAW! Circulation per Form 3526 (Paid & not Paid) is 27,623 average. And how Readership of 75,000 was derived is a mystery! Advertising Rates ... http://www.sassnet.com/chronicle/rates.php ... worth a look folks! So, based on the rates and amount of advertisers per each CC issue, , IMHO the CC is a net Income producer - Not a Net Expense item to SASS If one wants to play with Badge Numbers against Form 3526 Numbers (remember only one copy per household) ... membership is down in 2010 overall and definitely the raw 90,000 Badge numbers is not close
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