Horsekiller Al Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 OK, no whining about the cost. I want one of these so bad I can taste it. The only issue I have left with the ROA I shoot in SASS and for endless fun, is the hammer. I have a Ruger Bisley that fits my thumb perfectly. The ROA's hammer would benefit from having a Bisley hammer. This is from David Clement's website. As you may know, David Clement is the best there is. I have dealt with him multiple times and there is no better or reliable gunsmith. So please if you are interested in this contact David and put down a deposit. He only is asking that a minimum of 20 folks send a deposit. http://www.clementscustomguns.com/itemsforsale.html Notice to Old Army Shooters I have been contacted by several people wanting a Bisley hammer for these revolvers. I will make a limited run provided I can get orders for a minimum of 20 hammers. Due to the high cost of the stainless needed to make the parts, I will require a $50 deposit for each stainless hammer. I will begin taking orders immediately and go until Feb. 1, 2011 before beginning production. If not enough interest is shown I will return all deposits. Available in the following configurations: 1- Standard style with Bisley spur compatible with standard gripframe and trigger. Blue $185 Stainless $215 2- Bisley style for use when installing a Bisley gripframe- hump added on back to fill slot in frame. Blue $195 Stainless $225 3- Bisley trigger compatible with NM Bisley gripframe and trigger return spring. These will be needed when ordering the preceeding hammer. Blue $50 Stainless $60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Only problem is it would not be legal for a SASS match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Fred SASS Life 20364 Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 +1 Why would any one want to go to all that expense to make a conversion that would not be SASS legal??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Montado or Super Blackhawk style hammer would be OK. Bisley would be a useless expenditure if the gun is to be used for SASS matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsekiller Al Posted December 18, 2010 Author Share Posted December 18, 2010 Are we sure that's the case on a C&B revolver? I'm also curious what would be made of this and a Kirst conversion. Either way....I have at least one ROA I'd like this one. My hands and thumbs like the Bisley hammer much more than the stock hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Are we sure that's the case on a C&B revolver?Yes...we are...see the SASS SHOOTERS HANDBOOK, page 4 I'm also curious what would be made of this and a Kirst conversion. Same...NOT LEGAL (due to the hammer) Either way....I have at least one ROA I'd like this one. My hands and thumbs like the Bisley hammer much more than the stock hammer. Now you just need to find 19 friends who want one set up that way. ALL FIREARMS• ... ... HAMMERS • ... ... • Bisley style revolver hammers may only be used when mated with a Bisley style grip frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 There is quite a difference between a ROA and any other Ruger single action grip frame. The ROA has a distinctive hole for the trigger return plunger and is absent the one for the bolt stop. I'm not even sure if the screw holes line up and the "long" screw is in the same location as it is on other single actions. I know this because I bought a birds head grip frame to convert a ROA before finding out all of the above. I eventually ended up with my birds head gripped pistol by welding and re cutting the existing ROA grip frame since I knew it already fit. The reason I bring this up is with these hammers and the assumption that a grip frame is going to go with them, will they be welded and cut like I did or is there some other plan of attack? Smithy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 If Bisley hammers on ROAs become legal for SASS competition, I will switch to NCOWS. Enough is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 There is already at least one smith that has converted a set of ROA hammers to SBH profile, it took a lot of work and is fairly expensive. I can see this mod really sweeping the nation, especially all two frontiersman here in MI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I can see this mod really sweeping the nation, especially all two frontiersman here in MI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Fink, SASS #29047 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Hey Deuce: There's only one that may think about it. Mine'll stay the way they are. Regards, Mike Fink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Hey Deuce: There's only one that may think about it. Mine'll stay the way they are. Regards, Mike Fink well Mike I don't think you have to worry about the little feller, I think up and retired form CAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Pony Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 If anything could make an ROA look any goofier it would have to be the addition of a bisley style hammer, yep that would be one fine looking accurate representation of a gun that never existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICIOUS, SASS#8014 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 DARN; I gotta raise the price on the BISLEy hammer attached to the BISLEY grip on the Rugar that i am selling . Such demands means more money. Maybe GOLD plate it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyandot Jim Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 There is already at least one smith that has converted a set of ROA hammers to SBH profile, it took a lot of work and is fairly expensive. I can see this mod really sweeping the nation, especially all two frontiersman here in MI. Well I don't know anything about your smith. Mine were about $35 to convert plus the Super $35 hammer from Ruger. WJ http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk67/wy.../1266881673.jpg http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk67/wy.../1266881672.jpg http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk67/wy.../1266881671.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Well I don't know anything about your smith. Mine were about $35 to convert plus the Super $35 hammer from Ruger. WJ http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk67/wy.../1266881673.jpg http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk67/wy.../1266881672.jpg http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk67/wy.../1266881671.jpg that's great, don't really care. the mod. has been being performed for awhile now. The one I was talking about was actually building the hammers from the stock hammers. thus taking shop time, thus costing money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc McGee, SASS #51213 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Pale Wolf, If I were to convert my ROAs to Bisley grips then I could use the Bisley hammer and of course the trigger, yes or no? Not that I would convert them. But the question did come to mind.... Doc Mcgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Pale Wolf, If I were to convert my ROAs to Bisley grips then I could use the Bisley hammer and of course the trigger, yes or no? Not that I would convert them. But the question did come to mind.... Doc Mcgee Yes, but I don't think Ruger ever made the Bisley on the three screw frame so there aren't any Bisley grip frames that would fit an ROA without some welding and machining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyandot Jim Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Pale Wolf, If I were to convert my ROAs to Bisley grips then I could use the Bisley hammer and of course the trigger, yes or no? Not that I would convert them. But the question did come to mind.... Doc Mcgee Also the Bis and new model triggers will not work in the 3 screw frame. WJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Pale Wolf,If I were to convert my ROAs to Bisley grips then I could use the Bisley hammer and of course the trigger, yes or no? Not that I would convert them. But the question did come to mind.... Doc Mcgee What Larsen said. Note that there are a quite a few custom pistolsmiths offering modifications (particularly sight, frame & hammer combinations) of all kinds...many of which are NOT LEGAL for SASS main match firearms. It is highly recommended that the Firearms Covenants in the Shooters Handbook (pages 3-10) be studied thoroughly before spending $$ on equipment that may not be acceptable for use in SASS competition (if that is the primary purpose of the firearm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyandot Jim Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 that's great, don't really care. the mod. has been being performed for awhile now. The one I was talking about was actually building the hammers from the stock hammers. thus taking shop time, thus costing money. I have also seen that done and I can see why it would cost more. The way the Smith did mine was pretty simple. WJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Flat Swindler Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Sounds like we need a new category for Bisley hammered ROAs. I think Retro Frontiersman might be a good name. I'm just kidding but I still can't believe someone would come up with a mod like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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