Tequila Jim #14501 Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 An old photo of my great grandfather shows him holding what appears to be a semi auto shotgun. The picture is dated 1904. Thanks, TJ
Cole Younger Requlator Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 Browning A5 The Browning Auto-5 was the first mass-produced semiautomatic shotgun. Designed by John Browning in 1898 and patented in 1900[2], it was produced continually for almost 100 years by several makers with production ending in 1998. It features a distinctive high rear end, earning it the nickname "Humpback". The top of the action goes straight back on a level with the barrel before cutting down sharply towards the buttstock. This distinctive feature makes it easy to identify A-5s from a distance. A-5s were produced in a variety of gauges, with 12- and 20- predominating; 16 gauge (not produced between 1976 and 1987) models were also available. The gun was produced from 1902 to 1999.
Colorado Lightning, SASS #50566 Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 I think the Browning Auto-5 was patented in 1900 and began production in 1902. That would be my guess without seeing the picture. Colorado Lightning
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 +1 Browning A5 (also IMO the worse kicking shotgun ever)
Red River Ray SASS#33254 Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 +1 Browning A5 (also IMO the worse kicking shotgun ever) And gist think I've always liked ye to. Every Bobwhite I've ever kilt was kilt wid one. RRR
Tequila Jim #14501 Posted December 18, 2010 Author Posted December 18, 2010 Thats what I was thiking, a Browning, just wasn't sure about the time period. There are 6 men seated or standing on what I would describe as a hay wagon. Quite a variety of long guns. besides those holding weapons there is what I would call a bivwak stack of long guns. If you go to Facebook and type in William L Araiza you can see this picture. Redards TJ
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 And gist think I've always liked ye to. Every Bobwhite I've ever kilt was kilt wid one. RRR Ray, We're still friends - But man oh man, it has always seemed to me that A5's and all the foreign clones of the A5 were nasty kicking so and so's. I could shoot the same rounds thru a 97, an 870, an 1100, a Benelli, etc. and grin about it - Give me an Auto 5 and I feel like a truck hit me. Course - I dislike shooting SxS's for the same reason - must be certain shotguns I just hold 'em wrong?
Trooper John Smith SASS 5561 Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 The Remington M-11 is a lookalike for the old Browning A-5. And the Remington autoloader is listed in the 1906 Remington catalog (not named the Model 11 until after it had been in use a while). I don't have a 1904 or 5 Rem catalog, so don't know for sure if it was made earlier than 1906, but it mighta. Trooper
Dusty Morningwood Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 The Remington M-11 is a lookalike for the old Browning A-5. And the Remington autoloader is listed in the 1906 Remington catalog (not named the Model 11 until after it had been in use a while). I don't have a 1904 or 5 Rem catalog, so don't know for sure if it was made earlier than 1906, but it mighta. Trooper That's what I was thinkin'.
Cpl. Henry B. Tolate Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 With the picture dated 1904, that would probably be a Browning made in Belgium. As I believe the story goes that when John Browning was to meet with Remington in 1902, the Remington president had heart attack and died just prior to meeting. Browning then took prototypes and drawings to FN in Belgium and they started producing the gun. He did not get back with Remington until 1905 with about 7,800 Remington Auto Shotguns being produced that first year. As an interesting side note, he first went to Winchester but wanted different than their usual compensation with him and they turned him down. This was in May 1900. Browning took his two prototypes and drawings and left.
Hacker, SASS #55963 Posted December 18, 2010 Posted December 18, 2010 The following is from the Wikipedia page under Browning Auto-5 Remington 11: 1905–1947 Savage 720, 745: 1930-1949 Browning Auto-5: 1902-1999 Designed in 1898 and patented in 1900
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