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I was going to run the timer for a few shooters Sat.I call the shooter up. Shooter said the line, I said stand by 1-2 and beep. Shooter shot and when he is done I push the button before I looked at the time.You make the call.I made the call( you dumba$$ )The Guy said he needed the practice.

Guest diablo slim shootist
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i replace the timer operator with some one "QUALIFIED" to run the timer! :blink:

sorry Pit Bull you should do another important job like picking up brass.

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If the TO hasn't done it yet, they'll do it, or something else like it, soon.

Don't let folks like DSS ruin the opportunity to better yourself, the cadillac aint the right color anyway.

 

I've double hit the timer, cleared the timer, dropped the timer, noted the blank screen on the timer when the battery died mid run, lost the timer, had to switch from random to instant numerous times. It's all a learning experience so learn.

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Things happen, as it is, you already punished yourself, and the shooters response was what CAS is really what its all about, comaradie, and enjoyment of shooting. I don't think anyone in CAS is perfect, nor hasn't made a mistake that they haven't learned from. Best, MT

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Things will happen….I try to hold the timer where my hands aren’t near the buttons and the mic faces the shooter. I always cover the mic on the last the last shot and show it to the shooter while I say the time out loud. That way hopefully the score keeper myself or the shooter hears (or remembers the time) IF something were to happen. I was reading a timer one time and AS I was reading it a piece of brass hit the timer and changed the reading……lol. We were able to go through the history and “shot count” to verify the correct time but all kinda’ crazy things can happen. Anyone can run a timer but to do it well you have to put some time in…..stick with it....we have all made mistakes as we learn to get better.

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i replace the timer operator with some one "QUALIFIED" to run the timer! :FlagAm:

sorry Pit Bull you should do another important job like picking up brass.

 

 

:blink:;)

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That was my first time and first shooter and I has fun doing it.I did a few more. I am learning from some really good people .

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Keep working at it Pit Bull. I'll let you time me anyday. Sides like the man said above. I don't like the color anyway. Hope to see you on Jan1

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What I'm about to post is not meant to offend you Pit Bull in any way. I really don't think that you have been to enough SASS matches to be qualified to be an RO/TO. The RO/TO duties extend far beyond just timing. You have to be ready for and anticipating ANYTHING that might happen before, during and after the stage with each and every shooter. You also have to the ability to make split second decisions concerning safety, if it becomes necessary, by making the call right then/right there. If I were the Posse Marshal, I would not have let someone with 2 or 3 months of match experience run the timer due to the reasons listed. Do even longtime RO/TO's make mistakes? Heck yes they do and every time they do, they feel bad about it. I do commend you for trying to help out the Posse and for taking the time to try to better yourself by learning the RO/TO tasks. I just feel that you need a little more observation time before hand.

 

Just my .02

Sun

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I had a guy that know what he is doing standing right behind me and watching everything.They will not you do something that is unsafe.The posse That I shoot with take care of everything.I was watching for the unsafe acts and counting rounds. I just pushed the button.

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I was going to run the timer for a few shooters Sat.I call the shooter up. Shooter said the line, I said stand by 1-2 and beep. Shooter shot and when he is done I push the button before I looked at the time.You make the call.I made the call( you dumba$$ )The Guy said he needed the practice.

 

 

Well Cypress Sun makes some good points,$hit happens, at least shooter handled your situation well.

 

Dont let it detour you,I think folks learn best by thier mistakes.

 

 

I was timing a guy that probaly had the run of his life & stage finished with rifle,I was watching timer pick up last couple of shots for previous shooters & got laxed with this one and sure enuff it did not pick up rifle shots,he was a little upset but his reshoot went well.

 

 

 

Dont beat yourself up live & learn. AO

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Joking right!! How is someone ever going to get qualified if they don'y do it, Pitbull it happens to everybody hang in there and keep learning. You come shoot with us and you can run the timer.

 

KK

 

i replace the timer operator with some one "QUALIFIED" to run the timer! :blink:

sorry Pit Bull you should do another important job like picking up brass.

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Dern!! Somebody actually WANTS to help out and folks are discouraging him??? C'mon folks, this is all for fun anyway! You go Tex!!! With that attitude you're already years ahead in this game the way I see it! We've got folks who don't want to do anything but shoot and talk and others who are unable to run timers and the like, so your wanting to do more is a refreshing change of pace for some of us!

 

And MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

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Pit Bull,

 

It just takes practice. I have done things too. We all have!! and if someones says they haven't then they are lying. We have to learn and at a match is the easiest. As Kiowa Kid says...come on out to our shot and you can time all you want. We encourage people to help. Everyone is new at some point and has to learn. It sounds like you had lots of support right there to help you. Stuff happens. Keep it up. Hope you are having fun!!!! :blink:

 

Painted Filly

Guest Winchester Jack, SASS #70195
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I have been shooting CAS for almost 5 years and have taken ROI and ROII classes and run a few posses and timed a few shooters and frankly stuff happens. Keep at it Pitbull

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Pit Bull, Hang in there....you sound just like me when I started....I wanted to do everything and I continue today. You might want to familiarize yourself with the RO I manual as well as the RO II. You will find that to time at a bigger match like regional or state that they require you have the proper training. I've been doing it for five years now and still have the occasional screw-up.

 

The best advice I can give you is to position yourself on the shooters shoulder and behind....that way you can watch that he is acquiring the right target and more importantly you can observe the firearm....and be prepared to react if there is a squib, misfire or the shooter has a malfunction. As Cypress Sun said there is a lot that can happen in a split second....

 

KK

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I am having a ball every time out.I will do what ever the posse needs. Possum was with me and ask me to do it.He was there and was also watching for the unsafe acts if I did not see it. That never happened. What ever they need. Thanks for the support. It just gets better and better each time out, the more I learn the the more fun it is.

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To add my experience and two cents: I completed the RO1/RO2 courses on Friday. I shot Saturday and ran the timer for my posse for the first time much of the day. I did reasonably well, except for one significant lapse. I lost count of (or maybe never even started to count) the the rounds fired during the rifle string for one shooter. I had learned that is one of the things I am supposed to do while timing and why. I just did not do it for this shooter, this time. The rifle targets were knock-downs and sometimes more than one will go down at a time, in which case the timer is supposed to call, "shoot where it was." As luck would have it, two or more targets went down at on time), the shooter did not shoot all ten rounds and left a live round on the carrier (action open, round NOT in the chamber), set the rifle down and moved on to shoot the next string. After he finished shooting, I called out his time, asked the counters about misses and reported both to the scorekeeper. Someone in the posse then pointed to the live round on the carrier and said, that's one of the misses. It also is a minor safety penalty (another 10 seconds). :o

 

Later the shooter came up to me and said words to the effect, "Don't take this wrong, but I have some constructive criticism for you. That's why you always count the rounds. You maybe can save someone from making that mistake." I told him I understood and apologized for my brain cramp. Even though I made a mistake, the shooter never suggested it was not his ultimate responsibilty. I really appreciated the positive way he gave me constructive criticism (which I deserved and needed) and encouraged me to keep timing. I learned, not only from my mistake, but also from reinforcement by that shooter of the Cowboy Way and Spirit of the Game. Thanks, Jake Jones, and to all the others in the posse who encouraged me during my first time with the timer. I look forward to doing it again. :unsure:

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A monthly is learning ground for everyone: Directors, Writers, Timer Operators, Range Officers, and shooters...spotters. Show me someone that claims to have 'seen it all' and makes all the right calls, and I will show you a bloated ego.

 

If this was a big shoot, I would likely have a different reply ...not at a monthly. Offer a re-shoot, move on.

 

Holler out the time right after the shooting stops. This way several people hear it (especially the shooter) and if you drop the timer or smack it against the wall...the time has hopefully been recorded.

 

As a shooter I want to hear my time right after the stage, as this helps me process and evaluate what just happened.

 

The reading and classes are good prep-work ...until you get out and start running the timer you haven't started the real learning.

 

-Nate

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The reading and classes are good prep-work ...until you get out and start running the timer you haven't started the real learning.

 

-Nate

 

+1 Truer words were never spoken.

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This practice started for us over at Lake Charles and Up The Creek Gang. They are getting more shooters involved and responsible. We have encourged this at our last shoot (Saturday), and will again in the future. How else can a fairly new shooter learn, and also see the "other"side of the timer and the responsibilities that it entails. As far as some "smata$$" answer, bring yourself on down, we'd love to see perfection in practice.

 

This new shooter is willing to do anything we ask or tell him to do. He ain't no spring chicken, but I guarantee he'll run circles around most. He even came out the next day (Sunday) and worked all day helping to put up new store fronts. He is still learning, hell we all are. It's part of our game.

 

Pit, we're proud to have you as a member of our club, and I'll ride the trail with you anytime. Just say the word!!

 

Your pard, Capt. Stephen D. Hill

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Pitbull, I’ve been running a timer for years…and this happened just yesterday. The club where I was shooting has a common firing line and a posse down from us had called a cold range just after a shooter had placed his long guns on a table. I had him to put his pistols on the table, checked the loading and unloading table and we went cold.

 

The situation on the other stage got taken care of and we went back hot. I had the shooter to holster his pistols, called for the spotters and told the shooter to give me his line when he was ready. When he did so, I said, “stand by”…and immediately placed a hand on the his shoulder and told him to relax for a few moments…while I got the timer out of my coat pocket.

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Pitbull, I’ve been running a timer for years…and this happened just yesterday. The club where I was shooting has a common firing line and a posse down from us had called a cold range just after a shooter had placed his long guns on a table. I had him to put his pistols on the table, checked the loading and unloading table and we went cold.

 

The situation on the other stage got taken care of and we went back hot. I had the shooter to holster his pistols, called for the spotters and told the shooter to give me his line when he was ready. When he did so, I said, “stand by”…and immediately placed a hand on the his shoulder and told him to relax for a few moments…while I got the timer out of my coat pocket.

 

 

Now that thar is funny: :unsure:

Guest diablo slim shootist
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Pit bull IS NOT THE ONE TO BLAME HERE! And i apologize if any one thinks

I was to hard on him BUT whoever put the timer i his hand should have done

a little bit better job preparing him for the job he was fixing to undertake IMHO

MY 8 yr old grandson can run the timer but can he do a safe job . NO i think we should

try to train our timer operators before or after the match -not in the middle-its just

not a good idea-from what every one says he is a good guy-and i dont dough that for

a minute. WE have very qalified people at our club who will not run the timer because

they dont feel like they can make split second decisions to keep a unsafe situation going bad

I got beat up pretty bad on the wire last week myself on a call i should not have made

so i know no one is perfect-especially me ,but i have 10 yrs in the game and im still learning

i just wouldnt have let pit bull learn by the sink or swim method. :D

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dss , the person that put the timer in my hand had me perpared , he did not push the button I did. You are the most negative person I have seen on this wire. I dont think it took you ten years to get like you are.Ever thing you say on any post is negative. I was prepared for the job that I was ask to do I had a brain fart after all the stuff that mattered was over.we were not shooting for club or state or world. You can say what you want about me not doing my job but dont say anything about the people that gave me the timer.They had me ready I AM THE ONE THAT PUSH THE BUTTON.

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Pit Bull...glad to hear that the guys/gals down south are taking good care of you. The only way to learn is by doing. You can read all thats available, but hands on experience is what works best. And Possum would not have had you running the timer if he didnt feel comfortable with you doing it.

 

Everyone has had something like this happen to them...either as the TO or the shooter. A persons character is defined by how they handle it....this goes for both people involved. Personally, I dont rely on the TO to count my shots, or be able to tell me which target I need to shoot next, or be able to quickly tell me what my next position should be. As far as catching me if I have a squib...Im not that fast a shooter, but good luck on stopping me if "I" dont hear it.

 

One thing that amazes me...some seem to think that you should not be running a timer simply because you have not been in this game long enough. But if a shooter comes on the Wire and mentions that they dropped a gun, either a new or experienced shooter, they are told to put it behind them....that it happens to everyone sooner or later. Personally, I am less bothered by a TO clearing out my time than I am by someone dropping a gun. Yes, it happens, but seems to be some double standards going on around here

 

 

You are more than welcome to come up and shoot with us. And I assure you, no one will mind having you run the timer for them. Im glad to see the interest in doing it. Its a lot better than just standing around waiting on your time to shoot..then standing and waiting till time to shoot the next stage. Keep it up....but do read the RO manuals every chance you get. I reread them every couple of months myself, but still forget certain things.

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SS are you going to be able to come for the new year shoot. Hope to meet you.Take care Pard.

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Still not sure if I will make it down for New Years or not...I hope that I can. If not, Im sure I will see you at Bayou Blast

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Heck! Pit Bull. Never mind those negative comment. I have been doing this for 16 years and I still make mistakes when I TO. A monthly match is a place to learn from your mistakes. You just keep learning and be good at it, you'll get better. This is all done in FUN. If someone is timing me and they made a mistake, heck, I'll be glad to shoot it again. That way I get my ten dollars worth of fun shooting and more. Lets be clear here, we AIN'T gonna win a Cadillac or Hummer or Lexus in this game anyway. Well maybe a YUGO (perhaps they don't make them anymore...huh) :D:D

 

Anyways, your posse thinks you're doing a good job. Keep it up. Getting your feet wet is one way to get across the puddle. Have a great fun shooting.

 

I.M. Crossdraw (still haven't won a YUGO)

Guest diablo slim shootist
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i Apologize for the negative feed back but thats what the wire is for not

all posts are just positive. the idea is to git people to think and give different

point of views . i guess it was my turn to play devils advocate but im not

usually negative -im trying to git people to see that more training will make

our sport safer and shooter friendly-im glad the shooter you were timing had

a good attitude about it and did not git upset (i know some that would have)

keep running the timer we need people to step forward and work the posse

and you will be a good roll model for other new guys . Respectfully Diablo

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Thank you dss. Possum and the other pards I shoot with have gone over what a TO job is. I was ready to do it. I just had a fast finger. I will keep working at what every they want me todo and I will learn all I can form the fine pards that work with me. At our shoots is the time for me and other new shooter to learn and help out as much as we can.Possum and Gator and others have been teaching me and I trust them to teach me right and what to watch for and have me ready to do what need to be done. I dont know how your club handle the training of new TOs but these guys do it right.Safety is what count first. I have not been in this game 10 years like you have but I love it and I want to be the best I can be as a shooter and also as a Pard that the other people I am around want to be around me.I will do what the guys that run the two clubs I shoot at ask me to do. Thanks again. Pitt Bull

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Pit Bull,

 

Don't feel bad.

Monthly matches are the place to learn.

As many before have said you really begin to learn when you start running the timer.

I have one more thing to add; ask the posse marshal or TG if on your posse to critique your TO conduct.

The critique is a good learning tool.

 

Good luck.

Hacker

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They do. I need to wait count 1-2 after stand by to the beep. They work with us on what would work better and what we should do. Before I ever took the timer they had talked to me and others how and what needs to be done and what to watch for. I am all ways around the guys that run the shoots. I want to learn.I will get the books but the guys with hands on are the best way to learn.

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