Madd Mike #8595 Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 spotter one says> 1 miss spotter two says> 2 misses spotter three says> 2 misses what du U say? applying the same logic ya did on the last spotter post
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Add all the miss count together=5 Divide by the number of spotters=3 results 1.66, go to next higher whole number since its above .5. Total misses=2 That wasn't hard Mike. MT
Madd Mike #8595 Posted December 22, 2009 Author Posted December 22, 2009 Add all the miss count together=5Divide by the number of spotters=3 results 1.66, go to next higher whole number since its above .5. Total misses=2 That wasn't hard Mike. MT you win the other post comes out the same (1+2+3)/3=t00
Guest Texas Jack Black Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 NO FAIR ! spotter one says one miss spotter two says at least one miss maybe two spotter three says at least one miss maybe three I love this Your turn I will be right back my glass is empty I THINK
Chicken Coop SASS 5791 L Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I've always wondered if SASS has ever considered a spotters class as part of our instructional material. Spotter Responsibilities: If you see a hit, it is a HIT. If you think it is a hit, it is a HIT. If you think it is a miss, it is a HIT. If the target does not clang, ring, whatever, but you do not see a miss, it is a HIT. If you see a miss in the dirt angled away from the intended target plate, it is a HIT (as in nicked the plate). If you SEE a clean miss, it is a MISS. How does one see a clean miss, you ask? It is when there is an obvious eruption of a dust cloud of dirt/pea gravel/gravel/etc. to the right/left/under/above and behind the intended target plate. A spotter is also required to monitor possible procedure calls, round counts per firearm, and possible AD's. They are also allowed to assit the shooter safely thru the stage by making sure the shooter knows upon what targets to continue their shooting string if there is a shooting glitch. Just remember, benefit of the doubt always goes to the shooter. IMO, this is not a democracy issue. ONE MISS. Chicken Coop
Jacknife Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 If you see a miss in the dirt angled away from the intended target plate, it is a HIT (as in nicked the plate). How does one see a clean miss, you ask? It is when there is an obvious eruption of a dust cloud of dirt/pea gravel/gravel/etc. to the right/left/under/above and behind the intended target plate. ONE MISS. Chicken Coop So, a clean miss could be a miss, but a miss cannot be a clean miss, is that it? TWO MISSES
Chicken Coop SASS 5791 L Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 So, a clean miss could be a miss, but a miss cannot be a clean miss, is that it? TWO MISSES What concept, on earth, are you trying to convey. Shooter ALWAYS receives the benefit of the doubt. ONE MISS Coop
Trueno del Diablo, SASS#22364L Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 ROI manual under spotters: F) There should always be three Spotters—the majority (two out of three) breaks the tie. As mentioned before, bandanas or batons are a good idea The majority, two out of three, had TWO misses. RTM.
el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Aiyee! Caramba - Two misses. Spotter one was sure of one miss. Next was sure of two misses. Last was sure of three misses - which means he or she was also sure of two misses. "The Range Officer shall determine any misses by polling the assigned spotters" RO II, page 6. While this is vague, I believe that in "polling," the majority controls. Thus the two spotters who definitely saw two misses would be the proper count. Buena suerte, eGG PS: But Coop can spot for me anytime........
Jacknife Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Aiyee! Caramba - PS: But Coop can spot for me anytime........ But that'd be almost like cheatin woodn't it?
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Go out and walk around in the snow!! Blackfoot
Danite SASS #27034 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 4. 1x2=2x2=4. If all three saw 2 then it is 8 since 2x2=4x2=8. It is easy to see why they only have three spotters, more could really add on to the total miss count in a big hurry!!!! One more spotter seeing 2 would be 16!!!!!
Smokey Shayne Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 uhhh... 2 misses. where does anyone see where any of the spotters called 3 misses?? maybe you better check your spotters again at least not on this post, havent read all the other thread yet, but I did complete the survey.....correctly
Bear Creek Reverend Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 spotter one says> 1 missspotter two says> 2 misses spotter three says> 2 misses what du U say? applying the same logic ya did on the last spotter post 2, my final answer, by the book it has to be 2.
el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 But that'd be almost like cheatin woodn't it? ABSOLUTELY.
Guest Texas Jack Black Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Aiyee! Caramba - Two misses. Spotter one was sure of one miss. Next was sure of two misses. Last was sure of three misses - which means he or she was also sure of two misses. "The Range Officer shall determine any misses by polling the assigned spotters" RO II, page 6. While this is vague, I believe that in "polling," the majority controls. Thus the two spotters who definitely saw two misses would be the proper count. Buena suerte, eGG PS: But Coop can spot for me anytime........ But all three were sure of at least one miss Hey glass is half empty or is it half full
Jacknife Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 TJB, sure all agreed that shooter missed one, [at least]. But two agreed that he missed two, [at least]. By the same token, two spotters says shooter missed one and other spotter says shooter missed two, which is it? One or two misses? Are ya saying that all 3 must agree as in the example? Isn't two in agreement good enuf?
Guest Texas Jack Black Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 TJB, sure all agreed that shooter missed one, [at least]. But two agreed that he missed two, [at least]. By the same token, two spotters says shooter missed one and other spotter says shooter missed two, which is it? One or two misses? Are ya saying that all 3 must agree as in the example? Isn't two in agreement good enuf? YUP but when all three spotters agree that they saw at least one silver flying Saucer than the doubt kicks in and the shooter gets a free get out of jail card and proceeds to Park Place .where he gets a reshoot T J B
Chicken Coop SASS 5791 L Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Doubt always goes to the shooter. There is no "majority votes win here". Why do you all have so much problem with that concept? IMO, ONE F****** MISS The "spotters job", IMO, is the most important responsibility of all CAS competitions, especially at the State, Regional, and National matches. Coop
Guest Texas Jack Black Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Doubt always goes to the shooter. There is no "majority votes win here". Why do you all have so much problem with that concept? IMO, ONE F****** MISS The "spotters job", IMO, is the most important responsibility of all CAS competitions, especially at the State, Regional, and National matches. Coop my thoughts exactally Yet, you say it with flare; MERRY CHRISTMAS
Blackwater 53393 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 The majority of spotters in this example agree on TWO misses. The call is TWO misses!!
G. P. Cobb Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 One, doubt goes to the shooter, hoping to change things..............
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Doubt always goes to the shooter. There is no "majority votes win here". Why do you all have so much problem with that concept? IMO, ONE F****** MISS The "spotters job", IMO, is the most important responsibility of all CAS competitions, especially at the State, Regional, and National matches. Coop To expand on the current example: spotter A = 1 miss spotter B = 3 misses spotter C = 3 misses Still only ONE F****** MISS?? Not hardly.
Smokey Shayne Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Seems some would rather just play the game by their rules......not the rules that are currently on the books if ya want to do that......why even bother have 3 counters....just use 1. or heck, you could even just count for yourself
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 "Benefit of Doubt" does NOT mean that the opinion of ONE inattentive/incompetent spotter overrides the count of the two who happen to be paying attention.
Blackwater 53393 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 To expand on the current example:spotter A = 1 miss spotter B = 3 misses spotter C = 3 misses Still only ONE F****** MISS?? Not hardly. It is really easy once you understand the rules! This example under the rules leads to a call of THREE MISSES!!! Merry Christmas PaleWolf!! Thanks for your hard work and for keeping us on the straight and narrow!!
Irish Red OToole, #48939 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 "Benefit of Doubt" does NOT mean that the opinion of ONE inattentive/incompetent spotter overrides the count of the two who happen to be paying attention. Nicely put, PaleWolf....+1
Trueno del Diablo, SASS#22364L Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Posts like these really make me question the legitimacy of our scoring system. Criminey, we can't even get a consensus on something as basic as this. It should really be a no brainer but.......
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Hope y'all can figure it out by WR...wouldn't like there to be inconsistancies in the way folks read their spotters. Phantom By the way, it's 2 misses...what's wrong with some of you??? The concept is not that hard to grasp.
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 my thoughts exactally Yet, you say it with flare; MERRY CHRISTMAS You were an MD for two state shoots? It's TWO....has been --was way back when you were MD and still is now.
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 "Benefit of Doubt" does NOT mean that the opinion of ONE inattentive/incompetent spotter overrides the count of the two who happen to be paying attention. +2.
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