Arcadia Outlaw, SASS 71385
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On 1/27/2026 at 1:01 AM, Jackaroo, # 29989 said:
But do you really want the same somewhat boring stages like that. I think the stage is fun and we practised it yesterday and worked out the best way to shoot it.
And yes, if you don't want to reload your revolver, take the shotgun, or maybe the secret is going to be not to miss by taking an extra poofteenth of a second to AIM.
Reloading pistol is an option that is not an option, who is going to do that ?
I’m looking at it from a match director perspective, EOT had a lot of trouble getting folks to sign up that’s why this thread was started. 😉
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2 hours ago, J. M. BROWN, SASS # 27309 said:
Dry firing wasn't considered unsafe until it wasn't. Pointing a shouldered, Loaded, rifle at the berm at the Loading Table can be argued both ways. Yes, as long as the rifle does not have a chambered round, it would be considered safe. But, What IF!!!
JM
“What if ! “
Sounds like a mother in law “ what if “ , might as well stay home in bed. Lol
AO
PS wish you were coming to FL St
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On 1/19/2026 at 8:18 PM, Renegade Roper said:
First of all, many of us do it. It is part of mental imagery. Secondly, if someone is not capable of picking up their loaded firearm safely and doing so safely then maybe they shouldnt do it. However, there are quite a few of us that ARE QUITE CAPABLE and thus do so. I have not heard of someone that uses this method having an AD (not saying it hasn't happened but I haven't seen it). I have seen and heard of quite a few people having AD's when using those lever lock products, which in my opinion are not safe, but that is off topic. So I guess I will be in the STUPID camp along with a lot of other shooters (assuming this is legal).
I agree !
Before I holster my revolvers at the loading table I will look down the sights , just something I like to do.
AO
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On 1/16/2026 at 3:37 PM, JohnWesleyHardin said:
I do not like the stage with the knock downs. A pistol reload really isn't an option, and it is much quicker to make up the rifle knock downs with the shotgun. The only way to shoot that stage is to stage your shotgun with the rifle in case you miss, then move with the shotgun to shoot the shotgun targets, then take the shotgun to where you shoot the pistols in case you miss.
We shoot revolver & rifle knockdowns quite a bit in Florida, I personally like shooting them, that being said revolver & rifle knockdowns in big matches are typically asking for trouble. Are they going to be consistent for all the shooters(stay calibrated) in the match? & How are jacked rounds going to be handled on the knockdowns? Or what if somebody’s rifle breaks on the last couple rds and they make up knockdowns with shotgun are they still scored two misses for unfired rds? Same could be said for a broke revolver. The way the stage is written you have to lay your shotgun down then shoot your revolvers then pick up your shotgun if needed to make up a miss, that’s a stage killer for a lot of folks. The best stages with revolver and rifle knockdowns are where you finish with shotgun and you have some dedicated make up knockdowns, that way the shooter is not having to pick up their shotgun again costing additional time, not the end of the world for top shooters but costing other shooters a lot of time. Just my 2 cents.
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Cypress Sam, so many good times !
The T&R (Howey in the Hills Cowboys) practices and BS sessions, some of the best times out there !
At T&R Sam set the World Record for single shot shotgun, and I think it was mentioned he set the first gunfighter world record, we had a lot of fun with that. At the T&R practices he used to bring an over ripe banana for a snack, it bothered/disgusted one of the guys so each time the bananas got worse lol.
We shot a lot of matches & practiced together over the years(since 05) and usually shot on the same posse, always fun watching him shoot & game a stage, always within the rules though, in fact he carried a copy of the rules in his guncart.
One of the funniest stories is when Sam really got Santa Fe River Stan good one day at lunch with the “shooting the shotgun like Arcadia Outlaw(me), it made Stan so mad and we laughed so hard about that, then Stan found it funny later that Sam got him riled so good. We laughed about that one for a long time.When Sam became Match Director at WVC I don’t think I’ve ever run so much or so far between shooting positions and he had to be in his mid 70’s at the time. He also wrote all these stage instructions so there was no way people could get a Procedural instead it confused a lot of folks and caused more P’s lol.
Sam did not like to be touched and that caused some really funny incidents !
Lots of great memories,
AO & MH
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The percentage of clean shooters for a match can kinda be sketchy as I’ve shot quite a few matches that were quite easy to shoot clean if that was the goal, but with big & close targets people like to push and that’s when you have the whole “ there’s never a target to big or to close that can’t be missed”.
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On 10/31/2025 at 12:29 AM, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:
I have absolutely ZERO actual insight into the reasons that EOT is making the above changes.
But I have some speculation.
End of Trail (and Winter Range before it) were "rarely" ever referred to or considered as "fun" shoots.
They were "challenging/ difficult" matches that an element within our game felt was necessary to be considered a prestigious championship shoot.
And the prevailing sentiment among most folks I spoke with was, "No, it wasn't necessarily fun, but IF you want to shoot the (when it was Winter Range) National Championship, or (now, EoT) World Championship - you have to grit your teeth and accept that is the match you're getting."
But, only 30 something folks are actually going to win a championship at EoT; only a 100 or so have any sort of realistic chance to do so.
That means that 700 or so shooters are shooting a match that they KNOW they will not win. These 700 or so best be having "fun" or they will eventually tire of attending.
I believe that an effort is being made to redirect EoT to make the match more "fun" for the 700 or so non championship level participants versus increased challenge for the 100 or so potential champions.
That, in my opinion, is a wise move.
It will make the match more accessible and enjoyable for all - instead of a match that is to be endured simply because it is EoT.
As long as everyone present competes under the same rules and conditions - then it is fair to compare results and award results. There is absolutely no reason that a championship match cannot be both prestigious and fun at the same time.
And a straightforward, fun EoT?
Hmm, it might be time to return to Ben Avery.
Well written Creeker !
You have to make the folks paying the bills happy. I know friends of mine have lost interest in EOT because it was not fun, spend a lot of money not to have fun does not make very much sense.
As someone who has been a Match Director for many years the best feeling is when you see folks smiling as they are switches stages or just walking somewhere on the range and you know that they’re having a great time without asking.
Midwest Hale and myself are going to EOT for the first time looking forward to the changes.
AO
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On 1/8/2017 at 3:17 PM, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:
Here's what a serrated front sight looks like in particular.
OK, after learning several thousand things about Google Photos
, I came up with this link for my serrated stainless Vaquero front sights:
https://goo.gl/photos/KdFJe644PMrqtz4cA
I did that file work in just a few minutes with, I believe, a 40 LPI checkering file from Brownells. About 3 or 4 years ago.
Good luck, GJ
works good dab some paint in serration works great and looks good too
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For those who are unfamiliar with W3G, this is the type of movement typically available.
Nice run !
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As Chance mentioned we had the T&R Ranch they did the W3G matches also WVC the Orlando Club did them for a while, unfortunately folks thought like Blackey Cole mentioned they were afraid to try it because you could move and shoot and figured it would mess them up for SASS matches but it's totally different than SASS,W3G you cannot see all targets unless you move in SASS targets are in front , It was fun and nothing to be worried about
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Lots of good advice
Uberti 73 in 357 / 38 18.5" - 20" barrel
Rugers 357 / 38 with 4 5/8 or 5 1/2 " barrels
Skb or 97 win or get both
Good competition leather
Your budget should be able to get you everything,
Good Luck AO
Loading table procedure ? regarding picking up a loaded firearm
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The incidents I’ve seen or heard about at loading table (been shooting CAS around 20 years and several matches a month, state, regional, National also been MD for half the time at least) have been rifles that had a rd in it from dirty or rusty follower as Waimea mentioned or a revolver indexed wrong or shooter drops hammer on a live round while loading and it goes off.
The other thing is people holstering or unholstering their guns after loading or unloading and their sweeping other people at loading & unloading table, usually cross draws.
The point I’m trying to make is there is a lot more potential for danger from people loading & unloading their guns and then holstering & unholstering there revolvers at the loading & unloading tables or even on firing line then there is someone pointing there uncocked gun in a safe direction and looking at sites or mimicking. And there is no rule against it.
AO