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Waymore Loco

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  1. I did some 44 Magnum testing with the chronograph today. The results are...

    5.8 grains of Red Dot = 820 FPS

    6 grains of Trail Boss = 785 FPS

    5.5 grains of HP-38 = 628 FPS

    4.7 grains of Titegroup = 733 FPS

    These are averages shot out of a Ruger with a 5 1/2" barrel. 240 grain SWC and Federal 150 primer.

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  2. 9 hours ago, Backdoor Trots said:

    Hey Waymore when I used to surf in San Diego back when it was a republican state,we always said the best surfer was the one having the most fun...SASS is like that too.I always see guys cussin and kickin when they miss a target or dont like their time.Just have fun or go somewhere else..

    I used to race stock cars. I told the crew when it got to be work and not fun we were done. Like I said, I used to race. Life is too short to do something that is fun and not enjoy it. 

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  3. 2 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

    With winter coming, I wouldn't load less than 5.0gn of TG. Use a firm roll crimp.

    Forget that bunch of crybabies-find a real SASS club.


    That's what I'm thinking. I'm doing this for fun and those guys didn't seem like they were having much fun. 

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  4. 1 hour ago, WOLFY said:

    Waymore Loco,


    You can drop another 30fps by loading Titegroup at their minimum recommended amount of 4.7grns.  Just re-read and noticed that’s a powder you’ve used before.

    I use 205grn bullets but when I started out I was loading 240grn and even at over 900fps no one ever thought I was “loading too heavy” (shooting with three fifferent SASS clubs).



    I had 4.8 grains of Titegroup when they were complaining that I was too hot. I'm afraid to cut it back much more. 

  5. 4 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

    Well Waymore I was there, and I do recall overhearing somebody talking about heavy loads damaging the targets at one stage, however I wasn't hearing much as I was busy picking the brass.  But just being on your posse my recollection is that your loads were fairly heavy, but they did not give me the impression of being warthog loads which I have gotten from some others.   I have no idea what the quality of the steel is there, though I think it is pretty good.

    I used the same loads at Plum Creek and it wasn't a problem. 

  6. 27 minutes ago, Trailrider #896 said:

    The problem is NOT with your loads; it is with the mild steel "target".  Virtually ALL club targets are hardened steel, even if only surface-hardened!  I shoot 7.5 gr Universal behind a 213.5 gr. hard (17-22 BHN) cast commercial bullet out of .44 Magnum Remington brass in my OM Vaquero.  From a 7.5" barrel, MV = 950 ft/sec at 72 deg. F., and I haven't seen a ding in any of the targets used by two different clubs I've shot at over the years.


    As a point of possible interest, about 50 years ago, I was involved in testing jacketed softpoint hunting bullets on various pieces of armor plate, simulating 100 yd impact velocities of .30-06 ammo (loading down from nominal muzzle velocities as the defense industry company I worked for had only a 100 inch range to do the testing. The tests were to find out the lightest type of steel or aluminum that could be used to protect ordnance items from being struck by idiots or sabateurs during rail transit.  While the bullets would damage most of the test pieces, it was generally in the form of penetration with metal spalling off the back side of the plates. Impact velocities were around 2,000 ft/sec.  Interestingly, in those instances where pointed softpoint bullets would cause surface damage, the round nose soft point would partially penetrate, with the bullet sticking half-way through the plate! :o I don't remember what was finally chosen, if any of the armor plates, as I was only temporarily assigned to the program, with my task being to download the ammo to simulate the 100 yd velocities, collect the velocity data, using an Oehler M10 chronograph of my own (this large defense outfit didn't even have one of their own!!!), and record the results.


    So, I'm afraid you need to re-think the material of your targets.

    Best of luck. Stay well and safe! Happy Thanksgiving!

    My target is for my own tests and denting it isn't the problem. I have no control over the targets at our local matches which I did damage. I'm sure the guy who yelled at me for damaging their targets thinks I should shoot a 38 Special like he does. I just need to know that I have my 44 loads correct. 

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  7. 2 hours ago, Rex M Rugers #6621 said:

    Yeah , I think the problem isn't your loads , but the target. A club's targets shouldn't dent with even a fairly heavy load. Somehow I doubt your present loads are crowding the 1000 fps max. limit, although you didn't say exactly what they were.

    Good luck ,

    Rex :D

    The load I had been using was 4.8 grains of Titegroup with a 240 gn swc  Starline 44 Mag casing with a regular Federal large pistol primer.

  8. 26 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

    What's the details on your targets, like alloy and thickness? 

    The load I posted, I have used for the last 18yrs.  It runs about 830fps out of my 5.5"bbl Rugers and around 950fps out of my 20" bbl Marlin.

    Has never damaged a steel target.


    I just grabbed a thick piece of mild steel of the scrap and leaned it up at 7 yards. 

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  9. 7 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

    Hodgdon's data on Trail Boss is weird sometimes.  They list 6 gr as minimum and 7.3 as max for Trailboss with that bullet.  So if the minimum filled the case, what's the max gonna do?  If TB is what you have, I'd try backing off.  Or maybe check you scale calibration ;)  But there's plenty of other 44 mag shooters, some will chime in.


    Do you know if your rifle will digest 44 Spcl?

    I have a few Specials. They run through the Marlin just fine. I can't really tell a difference. Using the same bullet, they have about the same recoil. Happy Thanksgiving to y'all!

  10. 33 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

    Well, plenty of folks shooting 250gr 45's.  Maybe just try to slow that bullet down. Looking at Hodgdon's data, the minimum of Clays (4.3gr) with the 240 bullet is about the least velocity of any of their powders.  I like Clays for minimums, always burned well for me though I haven't shot much of it in cold weather.

    I don't have any Clays but I'll try to find some and give it a shot.

  11. 34 minutes ago, Church Key, SASS # 33713 said:

    I've used 6.5 grs of Trail Boss under a 180 gr bullet in my Marlin for many years. My experience with Trail Boss is that it works best at medium to max charges.  It's best to avoid the lowest ones.  Never had any recoil issues with this load. I do use Winchester primers or Federal Mag primers. 

    I tried 6 grains of Trail Boss with the 240 gn SWC. The casing was full. I use Federal primers. It left a big bulge in my metal target. 

  12. 21 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

    Howdy Waymore.  I don't shoot 44 mag, but my smokeless load for 45 Colt is the minimum of Clays (4.6gr) with a 200 gr bullet.  It is very pleasant to shoot.  The Clays minimum for 44 mag with 200gr bullet is 4.2gr.  That should also be pleasant.   As Ripsaw mentioned, a lighter bullet will recoil even less.   Booyah Bullets (Dodge City Mike) comes to the Plum Creek matches and he sells a 180gr .44.  The only 200gr bullet he has for .44 is sized .427 for 44-40, but he might be able to size them larger.  


    Now, having said all that, I am not a marlin shooter but have heard stories and I think lighter loads might give you some blowby in the face, maybe?

    Hi. Abilene, 

    I have Booyah Bullets. I live close to Dodge City Mike. My mistake may have been that I'm trying to shoot a 240 grain SWC. The recoil doesn't bother me. It's actually pretty light. I've used Titegroup, Red Dot, and Trail Boss. The issue is that they hit the target pretty hard. One left a descent ding in the metal. I'm looking to not tear up the targets. So I'm guessing I'm trying to toss to heavy amount of lead. 

  13. I have 44 Vaquero's and a 94 Marlin. I've tried different combinations but haven't found the sweet spot. My loads just seem to hot. I have a lot of Magnum brass. I really don't want to switch to Special. Does anyone have a good recipe for 44 Magnum Cowboy loads?

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