Buckshot Bob

No red herring here . My home comparison was no one uses electric heat in a home because it’s the most costly way to heat a home . It’s just not efficient for what electricity costs compared to other forms of energy. That doesn’t change when you use the same technology in a car . Your the one who bought up the 30 second time limit , why I don’t know. My point is cold dark climates greatly reduce the efficiency batteries and of a electric vehicle. Which already has very limited range when compared to a gas car in a warm climate. Like I stated in a previous post go 80 mph when it’s snowing hard below freezing so you have to run your defrosters hard at night to keep the windows clear so you can see , with your lights on , with a battery that’s half way through it’s usable life and is being made even more inefficient by the cold and see what happens to your range vs a sunny 60 degree day . Look at how long traditional car batteries last in warm vs cold climates . The ev batteries will be the same

It’s sad , at least I can understand the democrats going along to get along. But the republicans should be calling them out on it . Just lends more credence to the argument that there’s not much difference between politics and professional wrestling

When I was in HS I can’t tell you how many other kids around my age were made the offer by a judge of jail or military service . It worked out well for a few of them . Maybe it’s time to start making that offer again .

My point was electric heat is very inefficient. Any given electric item is going to draw what it’s going to draw to do the job it’s designed for , if it’s from a transmission line or a battery. Except the battery has far more limitations than the transmission line . Very few people use electricity to heat a home because it is so inefficient and costly. That doesn’t change when the same technology is used in a vehicle. It just gets worse because of the limited voltage amperage and supply.

I guess I always thought they only played rugby. Don’t ever remember the Australia Olympic hockey team

My point is a battery is just a storage device, that gets worse the more it’s used , running anything electric it draws whatever that item draws it doesn’t care where the power is coming from , but it does care how clean the power is . And all of these times are pretty subjective. It all depends on the load put on the system. On plenty of occasions during a Mi winter I’ve had to run the defrosters pretty hard during a snow storm to keep the windows clear enough to see . So do that with your EV going down I-75 at 80mph or more so you’re not an obstacle in traffic , at night with all your lights on , because it’s winter and it’s always dark , with a battery that’s half way through its service life and see what happens to the range you have .

The guy in the Road Warrior had a hockey mask , but he was no down under Jason

But I do know about electricity, electronics and batteries. But your right I don’t know much about EV’s . Every time you transfer power even it the most efficient systems their is a loss .

Never said 30 seconds , just said electric heat is extremely inefficient. I’ve got seat heaters in both my vehicles, even a heated steering wheel in one and if the heater wasn’t working they certainly wouldn’t keep you warm in the winter and they certainly wouldn’t keep your windows defrosted “ the thing you have to have” where you can see where your going . With the tec they have now I just don’t see EV’s being well suited to cold weather climates . You have to be able to heat the entire car up to defrost/de ice your windows in the winter before you can go anywhere , and keep them defrosted to see where your going and electric heat is very inefficient. Heat is a byproduct of a petroleum engine . EV’s just simply aren’t there yet. Maybe some day they can outclass the passenger car then something that will haul more than 4 people and some groceries. But now for me I just see too many downsides . One of the pluses I see is easy all wheel drive . I live in the country and the roads are not always plowed in the winter , I have a 4 WD truck and my wife has a Subaru Outback, she’s a nurse and can’t call in because the weather is bad , so for us it’s a requirement. I know you have stated you have a ev , I just don’t get why you get so offended when people point out their shortcomings. I understand it works for you and I’m glad it does . But I can tell you they wouldn’t work for me , and even if they get to the point they do I wouldn’t buy one until they are competitively priced and can be refueled with the same speed/convenience. To me a vehicle is a money pit , it’s all about the capability it gives me for the initial purchase price + maintenance. I’ve driven a Tesla and they are nice , but for the price of one I can get a very nice 4 WD truck and for allot less I can get a very nice passenger car . And I’m interested to see long term what the cost of ownership is going to be over 200, 000 mi for a ev vs something like a Toyota Corolla . But I’m also the guy who won’t buy the first model year of any vehicle I tend to go for vehicles near the end of a series when they’ve worked most of the kinks out . I just looked up a Tesla model y all wheel drive and a loaded Subaru Forester, pretty comparable in size both awd . The Tesla was the cheaper model and the Subaru was the completely loaded and the Subaru is 23,000 cheaper . And as far as capabilities and maintenance goes if someone was to tell me I could have either one but I had to drive it for 10 years , I’m taking the Subaru. 23,000 buys allot of gas even at Brandon prices

I guess I don’t understand how ? A battery is just a storage device. You charge it from a transmission line , the home heat is getting it directly from the transmission line . Given a heating coil was drawing the same amount I guess I don’t see how the battery would be more efficient than the transmission line it was charged from . I’d think if anything you would lose something with the battery

I just can’t see electric heat with a blower motor being a minuscule amount when it’s below 0F . The few people I have known in Mi that have electric heat in the home have astronomical bills in the winter

So CA will just be a Cuban version of the movie the Road Warrior. Lots of Mohawk’s , chaps and hockey masks . That also brings up a question, is hockey popular in Australia? Where does a guy in the outback of Australia acquire a hockey mask ?

They also draw power if you want heat or ac , which people are going to use most of the time

CA is resembling Cuba more and more . Everyone will be driving a old rebuild Chevy soon

One thing I have found humorous is the 10,000 in “loan forgiveness” people get is going to be considered taxable income , so it’s not really 10,000 . The government even gets theirs out of the free giveaway money . They get it coming and going, but then again so do we . We just get it in a different way. Would love to see the look on some peoples faces when they are doing their taxes next year , although I’m sure those that don’t work will make out , if you want to call it that .

So Russia is allot like Illinois right now , where they have elevated taking FOID cards away. Read a article where they have recently taken away over 2000 . No FOID card no guns for you , without being charged with any crime or having your day in court . You’d think if they had a reason to take your rights away from you they would have to convict you of something

From the couple of wildlife biologists I spoke with about this they said if they used something that acted faster it would be too hard on the animal. Possibly killing them , they told me one of the biggest problems they have is finding the animal in some cases, leaving it very vulnerable if they loose track of it . These days I’d think someone would be designing a dart that’s also a tracking device

It kinda gives me the heebe jeebes to agree with her . But congress does control the check book “supposedly”