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  1. I had a severe leading problem with my 1911s. I use 200g high tech coated bullets. Backed off the powder charge from 4.5g to 4.0g of titegroup and no leading. You may just be running them too hot.

  2. On 9/20/2022 at 2:02 PM, Colonel Kraken said:

    At an annual match last weekend we had a shooter who was using a Marlin rifle. At the end of the rifle string he levered the gun and laid it down on the table. The gun was placed down, lever open, on it’s right side. When the shooter was done a member or two from the posse said that there was a spent round on the carrier. On our posse we had a very experienced TO and a TO instructor. They converged on the rifle to assess the situation. The gun was lying flat on the table. You could not see under it to see if the spent case was on the carrier or just in the gap. Anyone would assume that the round was in the open space left by the carrier being retracted, but you couldn’t observe the round on/touching the carrier. When the rifle was gently raised up the round was left on the table. After a minute or two of discussion it was decided that it was a no call. No one could observe the round was on the carrier therefore the benefit of the doubt went to the shooter. I felt that was the right call since a penalty shouldn’t be assessed if the TO can’t be sure that a violation of the rules has taken place. Like the hypothetical Schrodinger’s cat, who was neither dead or alive until observed, the spent round was both on the carrier and not on the carrier until someone lifted up the rifle to check.


    Widder: Apparently the TO and a TO instructor "decided that it was a no call"

  3. On 9/21/2022 at 5:26 AM, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said:


    In that (extremely RARE instance considering the rifle in the OP is a side-ejecting Marlin) it would be a NO CALL...IMO.

    CBB: With no evidence to say this did not happen, no matter how rare, it is a possibility.

  4. On 9/21/2022 at 1:41 PM, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:


    Couple of points.

    And these are both immaterial to whether the rule is valid or needs adjusting.


    There is absolute proof that the case was in the action of the rifle - two physical objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time. 

    IF the rifle is laying flat upon the table AND the case is UNDER the rifle - the only possible option is the case is within the rifle.


    In the absence of a witness seeing the casing exit the firearm AND then witnessing the firearm being placed perfectly upon the exited casing - the assignment of a penalty being appropriate must be made upon the higher probability of occurrence

    (is it more likely the casing was left/ remained in the action or more likely they perfectly placed their open action over an ejected casing?).

    Meaning that currently - if the firearm is discovered to have been left in a specified condition and not corrected - the only choice is assign the penalty.


    We can discuss the need for rules changes all we wish - but we cannot throw out penalties tied to current rules just because there is an insignificant "possibility" this other thing might have happened.

    I disagree. "higher probability of occurrence" I call  this a SWAG (scientific wild ass guess). So would you call a SDQ when it is reported a shooter ejected a live round at the unloading table because it is highly probable that round was in the chamber when the gun left the shooters hands? No, you would have to "know" that it was by visual inspection and since that can't be done, it is a MSV. Same situation here, we don't know how the case got where it is, no call. The possibility that there is another explanation for the situation is NOT insignificant!

  5. 16 hours ago, Fretless said:

    I'm not convinced. 

    It's a small step for an empty case in the action of a lever gun to find its way into the chamber.  Once there it can, and we've all seen this, prevent the next round from chambering.  Now you have a live round stuck in the action, ahead of the bolt, and a chance for an out of battery discharge.


    Remember, this rule doesn't only apply to the last round in the gun.  A gun can be overloaded, or not all rounds fired, or a stage could require a rifle reload.

    Do we penalize a shooter for having an expended or live round in the chamber (failure to eject) that causes the gun to stop feeding? No, they declare a broke gun and continue the stage. If there is an expended case in the gun AND a live round in the magazine because of an overloaded gun, MSV for the live round in a discarded long gun or does the shooter get 2 MSV? No again. We ARE talking about the last round fired failing to eject and the shooter effectively discarding an empty gun (no live ammo). In this WTC, it isn't even known if there was a failure to eject since the empty case was laying on the table under the gun. I agree with the no call. The case could have been in the gun or on the table when the gun was discarded, benefit of doubt to the shooter. Since when to we penalize a shooter for what "probably" happened? Ever hear a spotter say "well he probably missed"

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  6. 17 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:

    Thought to ponder... we've changed the rule for hammer not fully down on a rifle (pull hammer all the way back and pull trigger, fires; penalty, does not fire; no penalty). I have always had an issue with an EMPTY being on the carrier or in action and being a penalty (GASP!!!). What if we changed it to "brass (or hull) in the action: found to be a fired casing; no call. loaded round; penalty applies? We leave fired casings in pistols and that is not a safety hazard... Just a thought and don't stone me, please. Tell me why I'm wrong.

    You're not wrong.

  7. I'm with the "no call" on this one, here's why. In order for the Marlin 94 to not eject a spent cartridge, said cartridge is stuck on the bolt face by the extractor and would not be laying on the table when the gun was picked up. I also am with Tn Tombstone that this rule needs to be changed.

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  8. 18 hours ago, Vail Vigilante said:

    Well this is good to know. I will run it as-is while I save for something else! At some point you cross a line between maintaining old and getting a clone. 


    Several years ago, I was in your position. Inherited an original 73 from an uncle. Was going to start CAS with it. Broke the firing pin b4 even shooting my 1st match. Was not an easy part to find. Decided to buy a reproduction and keep the original as is, just wasn't worth beating up a family heirloom. Being a garage gunsmith like you, I have done my own short stroke, lighter springs, and polishing to make a really nice competition rifle, it ain't that hard. Welcome and good luck, have fun.

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  9. 25 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

    Hey Ranger Dan,


    TW and I were talking on the phone yesterday and he was telling me that he "HOPED" I didn't whoop him too bad.


    I told him that I been practicing a little and based on my practice, I ain't got no right to trash talk about beating anybody yet.


    Heck, I'm basically going because its the first time in over 2 years that I actually feel like traveling to a distant match.

    My energy is slowly coming back and I just wanted to get in some more shooting before the colder weather puts me back

    into hibernation.   Plus, because I ain't been shooting all that well lately, it will be another effort for me to get in more 'trigger

    time' and hopefully get me out of a rut.


    BUT..... the real reason I'm going tomorrow is my FREE meal from TN.   :lol:




    All in good fun. I can't pass up a chance to promote Wartrace Regulators. Good to see you gettin back into the game, even if it's just for a free meal :)

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  10. I use 3.0 gr titegroup, 125 gr bullets. has enough to knock down plates and the Mrs doesn't complain about recoil.


    Tried a light 13-14 gr load for 12g. Did not go well, cold temps caused delayed ignition, shot fine in warmer temps. Flames out the ejection port of my 97.

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  11. Years ago when we made the conversion to mobile phones and canceled our wired phone plan, TN has a law that all homes must have a wired phone connection that can call 911 at no charge. So with no paid plan and no actual phones hooked up in our house, the phone system started calling 911 in the middle of the night. The local PD would show up and bang on the door till we answered and assured them there was no emergency here... finally got the phone company to completely disconnect the phone lines from my house. Of course I would answer the door with a pistol behind my back, tense situation.

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  12. Fortunately this has been going on for so long that 911 call centers now trace all calls and collect metadata, so unless you are a tech genius, they will find you.

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