July Smith
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Supposedly Federal switched to the larger style packaging in the 1990s so those primers must be older than that. They should work fine if they have been stored properly.
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8 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said:
What are the differences if any between a 510 and a 513 serial number? I have 2 - 512 serial numbers.
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The 510 series had a lock under the grip. Doesn't really effect function or cosmetics, but I do think the main spring lengths are different (could be wrong). I have also read on the internet that the 510 series had deeper cylinder notches, but if that is true I could find no measurable difference between the cylinder notches on my 510 vs 512 and 513 guns.
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I'm pretty happy with the design of the Cimarron logo. I was afraid it might look like a PW87.
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5 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:
Twice I have witnessed dropped cartridges with Federal primers in them on gravel and rocks and the rounds went off. One was a 30-30 low pressure/low velocity round with a lead bullet that I dropped. The other was, I believe, a .44 Special round my friend hand loaded. Neither one caused injury. Both popped loudly.
I am willing to bet money that the Federal primer was pure coincidence. The most likely cause was a high primer, the second was the perfect scenario of a rock or other piece of grit just so happening to function as a firing pin.
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I've been reloading for 16 years and can only remember Federal primers coming that way. When I asked at the LGS about the difference in packaging vs other brands I was told it was because Federals are, "more sensitive." The more sensitive gun shop rumor is not really true, but apparently either FedEx or UPS managed to drop kick a package of Federal's hard enough to set a few primers off, which made Federal change their packaging over transport concerns.
Edit: For clarification, when I say the rumor is not really true, I am referring to Federals being more prone to detonating if a box of primers is dropped vs another brand. I am not talking about the effort/mainspring needed to pop one off in a firearm.
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Thanks for the review Deuce! I actually found a dealer on GB last Thursday that was not using stock photos, but instead had actual photos of the gun. After confirming that the gun in the photos was the actual one I'd be receiving I went ahead and bid on it. Should be at my local FFL this Wednesday. I do not expect a SASS competition gun, but if it is at least a functional 1887 I will be happy especially considering the price point. Might even consider picking up one of the 28" models and would definitely grab a 10ga version if those become a reality.
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Are we talking about allowed for SASS or WB? That is not remotely passable as a "cowboy" gun, even 97s with heat shields are not allowed in SASS. Now I will concede it does look a bit like a Model 12 with a heat shield which is allowed in WB. How would you feel about allowing any wood stocked pump action shotgun?
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Multiple sets of guns or multiple sets of cylinders just means more guns and cylinders to clean. I find one reliable pair of cap guns and loading the cylinders on the gun the simplest method IMHO. Because I load my cylinders on the gun with the factory load lever I have always preferred cap guns with proper 7"+ plus length barrels.
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Maybe I need to find the time to make it to Texas Jack's and try and handle one in person. Not willing to buy one online based off of generic stock photos.
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Any local Missouri pards know the OP? Looks like he might need a little help with posting on the wire.
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Yes your Henry is approved and fine for SASS. Take it to a club and get your feet wet. I think over time you will realize that your Henry is a fine rifle, but they aren't built for speed.
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Are you looking to sell for top dollar or are you willing to take a cut for the convenience of a face to face transaction? If you are willing to list online and ship you open yourself up to a much greater market, but you will also have shipping and auction fees. If you are going to limit yourself to local deals you might have to accept a lower asking price or be willing to hold onto it for a while. I am not an expert and I don't know anything about S&Ws or the M&H as far as value but I do buy the occasional Colt.
The 2nd gen Colts are highly collectable but condition is everything. Just a wild guess but a good to nice condition 2nd gen Colt is going to go for about $2500-3500 on gunbroker based off of finished auctions. 38 special while a plus in the SASS world is not as valuable as the 45s. The commemorative guns usually sell for significantly less than standard configurations and the box and condition are very important to collectors.
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15 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:
I’d be wary of buying one of those from an auction site.
I have had literally hundreds of positive transactions on Gunbroker, not concerned about that. I just don't buy guns without doing my research on them and I can find literally nothing about these new Cimarron 87s. The price point of $550 just seems too good to be true, so maybe I do have my answer.
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That's disappointing to hear. Hopefully this new batch of 87s got the bugs worked out.
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What is the story behind the ones they had to send back?
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Can I get some pictures of the Browning 92? I'll PM you my email.
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Anyone have experience with the new Cimarron 1887 shotguns? There are a number of sellers on Gunbroker with a bunch of them in stock, all with starting bids of around $550. I am curious who actually makes them and how the fit and finish is? I assume they won't be SASS ready but it would be nice if they are at least functional out of the box.
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On 1/15/2024 at 10:10 AM, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:
While I was at the gym this morning, a friend was telling us about having to change a tire on his son's car. His son is in his 30s, and apparently can't change a TIRE by himself. It made me think of this, so I decided that it needed posting and discussing again.
Assuming the 30 year-old son is not mentally or physically handicapped, the fact that he does not know how to change a tire is a failure on the father.
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If you are set on 30-30 I'd go with either a pre 64 Winchester 94 or a pre cross bolt safety Marlin 336. Between the two I preferred the Winchester, but the Marlin is a nice rifle too.
If you have the budget for it and want to step up to a 45-70 the miroku made Browning 1886s are very nice rifles. I might get hate for it but the Browning made winchesters are the best Winchesters IMHO, I think it is a real shame the current made winchesters all have the ugly and unnecessary tang safeties with rebounding hammers.
CDL is a fun category, I just don't like how a lot of spotters (in my experience) will make zero effort to learn the pattern and only call misses, and even then a lot of them will admit they can't see that fair and just kind of shrug and make sure they are holding up the same number of fingers as the other spotters.
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Without a stock the Shockwave is only a novelty that takes advantage of an unnoticed "loop hole." Apparently it does not meet the BATF's requirements as a shotgun and because it is smooth bore it is not a rifle or pistol, so it falls into a weird catch all "firearm" category. I still do not see how it is not considered a short barreled shotgun, seeing as the barrel is less than 18". I suppose it must have something to do with the fact that they are being manufactured this way.
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I've got a Lee 6 cavity 38cal mold that drops a 105gr SWC. Used but not abused. If I remember correctly, this mold drops them nice and fat in the .360" diameter range. If interested send me a PM.
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If the guns are New Long Hunter will work on them . 806-342-0000
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Cap and ball Goons gun works will work on the cap and ball pistols.
678-467-3950
Thank you. I really appreciate the numbers and referrals.
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You can flux lead with almost anything. I simply use an ugly lubed bullet as flux. After lube sizing I always seem to have a few ugly bullets with defects I did not notice before sizing. Next casting session I simply throw in the reject bullets, stir, let the smoke clear, and start to cast.
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The 1860 Army's bore diameter generally ranges in the .451-.457 area. The conversions shoot .45 Colt ammo.
Correct. The original 44colt used a heeled bullet that was a 45cal diameter and allowed for six shots to fit in the standard diameter 1860 cylinder.
Cimarron 1887 Follow up video questions answered.
in SASS Wire
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Thanks for the follow up. Would be curious what Lassiters impressions are once he has a chance to go through yours.