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Tennessee williams

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  1. I just tole someone today I wasn't above taking these splits off long enough to whoop their azz. I hated to get angry, but I think she learned her lesson. I should be out of these splits in plenty time to get ready for THE TN State match.
  2. Fun fact. Widder used to have dark colored hair. But, one year I loaded Widder some shotshells to use at the TN State speed shotgun match. Well, there was 1 out of about 500 I put some super high powerful blackpowder in. His hair had turned white about 20 minutes after he fired that one. The TO got the shakes and 3 soiled doves found Jesus and took up a mission trip to Zimbabwe.
  3. Can you use them with smokeless? I'm assuming you can. Seems like they'd shuck better than the plastic hulls. Do they?
  4. What he said aint as good as you think it is. He misspelled the word cheat. Hell, it ain't even got a P in it.
  5. Thanks for the kind words. I've got some recouperarating to do right now. I'm relegated to stage writing and making fun of Widder!
  6. There are some clubs that have them split up still in some of their annuals. My take on it is this regarding pistols in my opinion: With a good double duelist, it's hard to tell when they change pistols unless you're counting shots. You can tell with a single duelist. Most people aren't ambidextrous, so they may not be as accurate with their offhand revolver. This would favor a single duelist if they were clean only because of using the strong hand both pistols, and a double duelist was prone to missing offhand. The pistol transition of the double duelist wouldn't make up the 5 second miss they had. I tend to say transitions favor more heavily the double duelist. Those transitions better be hellagood to beat Doc's pistol, Rifle, and sg speed though! Then again, most single duelists are not Doc. Amadeuleist comes to mind too.
  7. I don't dry mine in the oven neither. That's where I hide my money. Safest place in the house. Right along with the bottom of the laundry basket. My wife'll never find it in either place.
  8. I aint falling for that crap again! A year or two ago you swore you wouldn't bring any voodoo hexins, so I was light on my mountain man hoodoo. Not this year! I'm pulling out all the stops. I been digging ginseng and cuttin' chicken feet off. Not to mention all the rocks I've spit under!
  9. So, to me we have a penalty for unintentionally shooting a stage other than the way it is intended. That is a P in the handbook as a brain fade. You didnt mean to do it and you may only earn one P per stage. Then we have a penalty for intentionally shooting a stage other than the way it was intended to try and gain an advantage. This one is the SOG penalty. I think we need to keep this one. I'd be open to listening to a change, but for me to vote for it, it would need to keep the "intentional" aspect of it. It's a pretty hefty penalty to not include a safety infraction but deservedly so. I think education of the rules can go a long way toward eliminating bad/no calls by the TO as well as making the shooter less likely to give the occasionally overzealous TO reason to call it in the first place. We know what to do if a target falls down(shoot where it was). It would be easy enough to slip in the RO1 manual the instruction "if you get lost in a sequence, shoot some kind of sweep". As it stands now, the shooter only learns from experience. If their first experience is a TO saying just dump it, that's all they know(that was my first experience). Just my opinion for what it's worth.
  10. Not with our defined SOG criteria. This is the only penalty that jumps out at me with "why" being relevant. I think there's a place for it, and the SOG penalty is in my opinion the proper place. When it is misapplied though, someone is calling someone else a cheater and they'd better not be guessing intent when they do it. I wholeheartedly disagree with some TOs on this in some situations. Some people, especially people with less assertive personalities just can't speak without using the word think, or I guess. There's also when the shooter asks which target they missed and the spotter says, I "think" it was 3rd shot 2nd target etc. Now, I'm not confusing the spotter saying I think they got a P, or I think they shot it wrong. I disregard those. That's why in my opinion, there can be no doubt and it goes back to what PWB says.
  11. Getting back on target pun intended, lets use Ozarks question changed up a bit in a more relevant to the topic manner. I believe I know what he was getting at(if not, he can correct me). His new question is this: 10,10,2+ Stage consists of 5 small knockdowns and 1 dump plate. 2 sg kd Stand and deliver. Gun order is sg last. Using the pistols and rifle in any order Knock down the 5 p/r kds. Any rounds leftover after clearing the pistol and rifle knockdowns are to be put on the dump plate(misses on the dump count). Pistol and rifle knockdowns can be made up with shotgun if needed. Using the sg, engage the 2 sg kd in any order. Shooter A shoots pistols blazingly fast at the KDs, knocking one down and then shoots rifle blazingly fast at the KDs knocking the other 4 over with 2 rounds left which are put on the dump plate. The shooter knocks down the 2 sg kds with sg for a time of 15.5 seconds and goes to the unloading table and unloads. Shooter B dumps both pistols into the berm, then shoots rifle and clears the KDs with 5 rounds left which he put on the dump plate. The shooter knocks down both sg KDs for a total stage time of 17.2 seconds and goes to the unloading table to unload. While he is there the unloading table officer asks why he dumped his pistols into the berm. He replies with, "I knew I'd probably miss with my pistols anyway so I used them first so the misses wouldn't count and just dumped them toward the berm somewhere as fast as I could to save time with them, then use the rifle to aim with." What's yer calls for A and B? Ozark wants to know.
  12. You saying Widder looks like somebody struck him repeatedly? I can see that.
  13. In my opinion SOG is Synonymous with CHEATER. I've never been too good at not offending people. Cheaters cheat on purpose. Wondering after the fact if you cheated or not in my opinion proves you didn't. If you cheat, you know you did. I've known people to cheat. From supposedly not mentioning a dropped gun that wasn't seen to taking 2 big steps back to bump a TO after earning a P on a shooting string. I have zero use for that. Our stage total times have a max time limit as well, we just don't stop the shooter. I don't know why I mentioned that.
  14. I'd wager there's a Butt-ton of people that have seen/heard this or even said this for one reason or another. I agree it shouldn't be instructed for the very reason of this thread. It's funny the people who only look for a dump to call a SOG. One of my favorite scenarios is 5 targets with shooting these targets in this order. 1,3,3,2,3,3,4,3,3,5 (it shoots better than it reads). For me as a duelist, a single tap sweep is the same as a dump time-wise. If my 1st 2 shots were on target 1 I'd have a P. Now the question comes to this: Can I single or double tap sweep instead of dump and not get a SOG? No Sir. Not if I do it with the intent of gaining an advantage. That is why it doesn't matter if you gain an advantage or not. What matters is if you shoot differently to try to. My Daddy always said take a man as a man...until you find out he's an azzhole. That may be why I usually give folks the benefit of the doubt. Atleast until I find them out.
  15. I don't know that anybody is saying that but would you want a "cheater" call called on you if it wasn't intentional? That's what a SOG is when it doesn't have to be politically correct. We have penalties for "unintentional". Those are Ps.
  16. Yes ma'am, they're the same. I copied and pasted your post word for word. Matter of fact, it's a picture of your post. The difference is, In my scenario the TO asked why the shooter did what they did. In yours, they did not. They only awarded a SOG. Just the fact you know you got a P and dumped doesn't mean you did it to gain an advantage. Could've been confused or been told in the past to just dump because you already got a P. That's the 2nd time you've told me to "reel it in". I'm only discussing a call. When 2 similar personalities disagree it may not smell like roses. ...how did they know? Because he did it fast? Because he saved time? Did they even inquire as to why he did it? You said they just knew. That could be guessing intent. From only what you said that I quoted, it could be possible he had been told in the past "you already got a P just dump it". We've ALL heard a TO say that before. Not saying that's the case, but it's possible and how would you know?
  17. This is what has most people confused in my opinion. You DO NOT HAVE to gain an advantage to earn a SOG penalty. Likewise, just because you DON'T gain an advantage does not mean you can't earn a SOG penalty. So, whether you gain an advantage or not, has no relevance in a SOG call at all as the rule is written. If you can answer this question with a yes without guessing intent, then call a SOG: Did the shooter intentionally try to gain an advantage by shooting the stage other than the way it was intended? Here is an example of not gaining an advantage and earning a SOG: The shooter for whatever reason thinks they can gain 2 seconds because their transition is 12 seconds faster going Pistol, Rifle, shotgun than it would be going the stage directed Pistol, Shotgun, rifle. Shooter shoots it p,r,sg and when asked why they did that, said it was faster for them to do it that way. SOG Here is an example of gaining time in the sweep and it not being a SOG. The shooter gets lost in the difficult scenario and realizes they have a P and dumps the last 3 or 4 rounds on a plate. When asked why, the shooter said they were lost as last years Easter eggs and didn't know what to do. No SOG
  18. No ma'am. It is NOT the same type of example. In PWB's example, the shooter is overheard at the unloading table saying you can't get but one P and said it was faster to do it that way. This showed the shooter's intent which is a prerequisite for the SOG call. In the scenario for shooter A and shooter B (copied directly from your fb post) how do we know WHY the shooter did what they did? Shooter A nor shooter B showed their intent until the TO asked them. This is why I said on your post, you just can't hand out a SOG penalty without knowing why they did it. Shooter A and shooter B are just one example of why you can't just say if someone dumps they get a SOG. The shooter in your post could have been either shooter A or B, but you wouldn't have known because of your "blanket call" because of the dump and this is my point. Realizing they got a P does not show intent nor does it mean they "intentionally shot the stage in a manner other than intended in order to gain a competitive advantage" as pointed out by shooter B who remembers the TO from 3 weeks ago saying "it doesn't matter now just dump the rest" We as TOs cannot guess intent, and intent is a prerequisite of the SOG. I understand you wrote the scenario to give an example of a SOG. I agree a SOG would be the right call, if it had explained why the shooter did what they did.
  19. Sorry in advance for this, but I haven't been able to shoot in several months due to tearing tendons and ligaments in my arms. It's the equivalent of a foot of snow for me. From the shb and pocket RO card: Failure to engage/Spirit of the game: Wilfully shooting a stage other than the way it was intended in order to gain a competitive advantage, not meeting the minimum ammunition power factor, or wilfully disregarding a non-shooting procedure. 30 seconds Notice the above does not say if the shooter gains an advantage they automatically earn a SOG penalty or that the lack of gaining an advantage gets them out of the SOG penalty. It says in order to. Re-read that if you need to, it's important verbiage. Shooter A and shooter B both shoot the stage the same way: There are those who put forth the previous scenario is a "blanket" call of P and a SOG without an indication from the shooter as to WHY, because the shooter realized they received a procedural penalty. Remember me saying shooter A and shooter B shot it the exact same way? Here is what happened when the TO asked each one why the shooter just dumped the last rounds. Shooter A said, "you can't get but one P and it's quicker that way." Shooter B remembers having shot a stage last month where they got lost and asked the TO, "I got lost and hit the wrong target. What do I do now?" Where the TO replies, "it doesn't matter now, just dump them." So shooter B does just that when they get lost this time. Both shooters shot the stage the same way. Can you have a "blanket" call for the above scenario without polling the shooter? What's your call? Edit: I realize just as you folks that have been shooting a while that when you get lost, don't dump so people don't have the thought you're trying to gain time. BUT, everybody hasn't been shooting as long and may not know to do that. You can't assume everybody's experience level is the same.
  20. That was afore I got my bed cover and could put things back there without them growing legs and walking off.
  21. News Channel 5 helicopter coverage says......no! This was a BLM or Antifa gathering. They thought they would turn me around. Ha!
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