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I wasn't there this year or last(did I hear someone say, yay) but for what it's worth:
Conventions say long guns staged on a table will be staged FLAT on the table. It's true that SPECIFIC stage instructions stating otherwise can over rule that convention;however, "staged anywhere safely" is not a specific instruction that would override that convention. That phrase is used quite often when the stagewriter wants to convey that the shooters can stage a particular firearm at any one of several possible locations. In order to override that convention, the instructions would have to be specific to that convention. I.E. "Shooter may stage the long gun on the 2x4, or long gun may be propped up on rail, or something SPECIFIC like that. Otherwise the shooter would be able to stage the long gun flat but really far back on the table, or have the rifle kick-standing up on a saddle ring. To disallow ALL of that, they would ALL have to be addressed in the instruction. That'd be lunacy.
Bottom line to me with THIS situation is the stagewriters, match officials, prop and stage builders only have so much they can be responsible for. They can't ultimately hold each Posse Marshals hand. If they could do that, they wouldn't need them in the first place. The officials can give direction and make a reasonable attempt to make sure all parties understand what's conveyed to them. They can take note of what problems they have with a Posse Marshal, or prop, etc to make whatever change is necessary to keep it from happening again. This is a good group putting this match on and they have shown they're not afraid to make changes to put on a better match. I have confidence they'll continue to do so.
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1 minute ago, Yul Lose said:
See now that’s the kind of stuff I’m after, layin bare all his faults like that makes you wonder why Shootin Sharyn even puts up with him. These kinda family secrets keep these threads going.
And I wouldn't lie about him neither!
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He's a scoundrel is what he is! The onliest reason folks put up with him is he brings Shootin' Sharyn with him. She says if he didn't do the reloading he wouldn't even make a good cart boy.
I remember one time we were on a posse marshal walk through for a state or regional match and BB got just a touch too close to me and I slipped a chicken foot in his pocket at about stage 2. He walked the other 8 or 10 stages with that foot on him and got hoodoo'd. It was funny watching him. He'd trip every know and then, or drop his shooter book, or step in a pile of what was that. Or atleast that's what he kept calling it.
All in all they're a great family. Even if they do bring Cap'n BB with them.
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Widder's birthday is today. Nearly a hunert years ago his Daddy was out in the waiting room when the Dr came out and told him, "I sure am sorry sir. We tried all we could try but he lived."
Yep, Widder is so old he was one of the waiters at the last supper. He's also the only one I know who has an autographed copy of the Bible. It must've been a good childhood for him getting to play in the Sahara forest like he did.
Widder is at the age where he's been there and done that, he just can't remember what it was. He still has all the females chasing him around though. The fact they're all female mosquitoes has no bearing on that fact. He is super talented though. For instance, he's the only one I know who can cough, fart, sneeze, and pee all at the same time.
All jokes aside, we all like to make fun of Widder.
Happy Birthday pard!
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4 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:
TW just called me. Said his pet Buzzard, HiBall, was diagnosed with a common bird
disease called Hinway.
Thought some of you would want to know.
..........Widder
Cap'n BB wants to know what's a Hinway?
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1 hour ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:
I shouldn't tell this cause you know how good I am at keeping secrets about TW........ BUT,
those boots Y'all are concerned about were put on TW's pet Buzzard.
Naturally, its a male Buzzard and he named it HiBall due to its slight deformity. Only TW
would figure something like that.
Now you know..... HiBall wears the boots. Not his chickens.
..........Widder
You know, the funny thing is I have boxing gloves from my time raising game chickens. They're rubber and you put them on the rooster's spurs to keep them from killing each other when they spar.
At one "show" there was fella with a sheet over his cage. He claimed his bird would whoop anybody else's bird. Finally a big mouth guy that had been hitting the bottle pretty hard and had real good birds got tired of hearing him and hollered out he'd put a hundred on it. He agreed and pulled that sheet off to reveal a big ole owl! Big mouth didn't say a word, just paid up.
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4 hours ago, Chicken George* said:
I will neither confirm nor deny where my location may be while in TN due to my alias and close proximity to Tennessee Williams.
Oh, I been waiting for you! Hehehehe
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On 2/29/2024 at 7:04 AM, Flying W Ramrod said:
You have one, and only one, duty as a TO. To Safely Assist the Shooter Through the Course of Fire. Anything else is gravy.
Yessir. That is why I was confused by your comment below. Watching my shooter is a LOT more important than getting my stopwatch out to count how many times my timer has rolled over and reset to zero. It doesn't matter how many times it rolls over anyhow because it will be more time than the maximum scorable stage time anyway. If it takes them 20 minutes to fix their firearm, they will still only score 5 seconds per target plus 30 seconds. Not really fair to the shooter who keeps their guns and ammo functioning if you ask me. Jmo
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1 hour ago, Flying W Ramrod said:
If you have a good RO, they'll keep track of how many times the timer has gone past 3:20 and be able to do the math.
Timer equipment restrictions are not the fault of the shooter.
But, ultimately it IS the fault of the shooter their gun broke or their ammo malfunctioned. The typical stage is 10-10-4. The time limit(Synonymous with maximum stage time) for that stage is 150 seconds. That's 2minutes and 30 seconds, almost a full minute under the limit of our timers. As a TO, I have a LOT more important stuff to do other than get my pocket watch out and keep track of the timer rolling over especially with a shooter working on a live firearm. That is nowhere in the RO1,2, or 3 manual.
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I brought up a very unpopular but logical question a while back:
SHOULD a shooter who takes more than the MAXIMUM scorable time for a stage still be counted as clean as long as no miss or other penalty? (Currently there is nothing I know of rule-wise that says they are not)
Here is the relevance to the original post: Shooters "generally" participate in our sport/game for one of 3 reasons beside the commeraderie. Speed, dress authenticity, or to shoot clean. The question in my mind is this. Is it fair to the other shooters who shoot to be clean who stay within the stage's maximum allowed score time for someone to potentially (not likely)take 5-10 minutes to repair their firearm?
Before you answer, consider this. The maximum time our pocket pro timers will "time" is 3minutes and 20seconds. Now, we all know what general practice is when we don't have a recordable time such as the last shot in the stage not being recorded. The shooter must reshoot to get a recordable time. I'm not saying the following is the norm but it IS possible. The shooter striving for clean gets a P or miss and then their gun locks up and they take 7 minutes to "fix" it, then finish the stage. They don't have a recordable time because the timer only records 3mins 20sec before starting over. How many times has the timer wrapped over? See where I'm going with this?
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Mainmost thing is watch out for no-good, lowdown lying scoundrels that frequent the wire. You've spoken to a couple of them on here already. One of the worst is Deacon KFC. Shore I might've taken a nanner split from a youngun, but Deak paid me $5 to do it. Besides you can't trust a fella what wears an upside down bucket of KFC chicken as his cowboy hat. That's how Deacon got his name ya know. You'll know him if you ever shoot with him. He wears a big ole feather behind that bucket. Whatever you do though, don't smell that feather no matter how much he wants you to.
Hey, I don't make this stuff up.
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5 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:
Theres a slight chance that TW won't be shooting the TN State ifn his arm tendons, etc..... don't heal up.
I hate talking about someones medical issues, BUT..... the Doc has him wearing splints on his arms right now to
see if that will help heal his issues.
As for me..... I ain't skeeeert of nobody what shoots a SxS.....
..........Widder
I just tole someone today I wasn't above taking these splits off long enough to whoop their azz. I hated to get angry, but I think she learned her lesson.
I should be out of these splits in plenty time to get ready for THE TN State match.
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6 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said:
I just reserved a nice place in Bell Buckle. I haven't told the Cowboy @Widder, SASS #59054 and @Tennessee williams were trash talking his 'old' man yet, but I will for sure.
You're out of the loop. He's the one what put us up to it!
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On 2/16/2024 at 3:10 PM, DeaconKC said:
I wonder if'n we loaded up a bunch for @Tennessee williams with some extra Nitroglycerine in them? You know them Wile E. Coyote ACME Special ones?
Fun fact. Widder used to have dark colored hair. But, one year I loaded Widder some shotshells to use at the TN State speed shotgun match. Well, there was 1 out of about 500 I put some super high powerful blackpowder in. His hair had turned white about 20 minutes after he fired that one. The TO got the shakes and 3 soiled doves found Jesus and took up a mission trip to Zimbabwe.
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Let me know if yall need anything
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23 hours ago, DeaconKC said:
Okay, mulling over trying out FC and if I do, I guess I would use the Magtech brass shotgun shells for the shotgun part. How do these hold up with black powder subs? How does APP work for these?
Part 2, would there be an advantage to using nickel cases with APP?
Can you use them with smokeless? I'm assuming you can. Seems like they'd shuck better than the plastic hulls. Do they?
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On 2/12/2024 at 8:09 AM, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:
Remember what he (Widder) said, practice, practice, practice.
What he said aint as good as you think it is. He misspelled the word cheat. Hell, it ain't even got a P in it.
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32 minutes ago, Quiet Burp said:
Enjoyed your take on the subject and reading your post, thank you. Now if I could just shoot like you I'd be a happy camper TW.
Thanks for the kind words. I've got some recouperarating to do right now. I'm relegated to stage writing and making fun of Widder!
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There are some clubs that have them split up still in some of their annuals.
My take on it is this regarding pistols in my opinion: With a good double duelist, it's hard to tell when they change pistols unless you're counting shots. You can tell with a single duelist. Most people aren't ambidextrous, so they may not be as accurate with their offhand revolver. This would favor a single duelist if they were clean only because of using the strong hand both pistols, and a double duelist was prone to missing offhand. The pistol transition of the double duelist wouldn't make up the 5 second miss they had.
I tend to say transitions favor more heavily the double duelist. Those transitions better be hellagood to beat Doc's pistol, Rifle, and sg speed though! Then again, most single duelists are not Doc. Amadeuleist comes to mind too.
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I don't dry mine in the oven neither. That's where I hide my money. Safest place in the house. Right along with the bottom of the laundry basket. My wife'll never find it in either place.
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1 hour ago, La Sombra said:
Not worrying at all. Got my Gris-gris piece to ward off all y’all fake stuff. Gonna have to up y’all’s game.
La Sombra
57 minutes ago, Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 said:Anybody worried about me should look real hard at y'all.
Imis
Y'all have tiny hats
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2 hours ago, Krazy Kajun said:
@Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 is this year's match gonna be chicken foot, hoodoo and mountain magic free? (asking for a friend)
Kajun
I aint falling for that crap again! A year or two ago you swore you wouldn't bring any voodoo hexins, so I was light on my mountain man hoodoo. Not this year! I'm pulling out all the stops. I been digging ginseng and cuttin' chicken feet off. Not to mention all the rocks I've spit under!
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24 minutes ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:
So wouldn't it be better to simply apply real world observable results instead of accusations and hoping the shooters suddenly feels guilty between the firing line and unloading table?
So, to me we have a penalty for unintentionally shooting a stage other than the way it is intended. That is a P in the handbook as a brain fade. You didnt mean to do it and you may only earn one P per stage.
Then we have a penalty for intentionally shooting a stage other than the way it was intended to try and gain an advantage. This one is the SOG penalty. I think we need to keep this one.
I'd be open to listening to a change, but for me to vote for it, it would need to keep the "intentional" aspect of it. It's a pretty hefty penalty to not include a safety infraction but deservedly so.
I think education of the rules can go a long way toward eliminating bad/no calls by the TO as well as making the shooter less likely to give the occasionally overzealous TO reason to call it in the first place. We know what to do if a target falls down(shoot where it was). It would be easy enough to slip in the RO1 manual the instruction "if you get lost in a sequence, shoot some kind of sweep". As it stands now, the shooter only learns from experience. If their first experience is a TO saying just dump it, that's all they know(that was my first experience).
Just my opinion for what it's worth.
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11 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:
If the SAME result is achieved - the SAME penalties are recorded.
Not with our defined SOG criteria.
11 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:It is nobody's business "why" anyone did anything - the only thing that matters is the objective measurable result of their actions.
This is the only penalty that jumps out at me with "why" being relevant. I think there's a place for it, and the SOG penalty is in my opinion the proper place. When it is misapplied though, someone is calling someone else a cheater and they'd better not be guessing intent when they do it.
11 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:When we hear a spotter say "I THINK"; we immediately reject their input as it applies to calling misses and Procedurals.
I wholeheartedly disagree with some TOs on this in some situations. Some people, especially people with less assertive personalities just can't speak without using the word think, or I guess. There's also when the shooter asks which target they missed and the spotter says, I "think" it was 3rd shot 2nd target etc.
Now, I'm not confusing the spotter saying I think they got a P, or I think they shot it wrong. I disregard those.
11 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said:But for a THIRTY second penalty - labeling someone a "cheater"; suddenly subjectivity, opinion and "I THINK" have validity?
That's why in my opinion, there can be no doubt and it goes back to what PWB says.
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Eot starting position
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It HAS to be specific to that particular convention for reasons I specified above. If it's doesn't directly override a SPECIFIC convention, can we just choose which one we want it to override? No