Jump to content
SASS Wire Forum

Doc Coles SASS 1188

Members
  • Content Count

    800
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    1

Everything posted by Doc Coles SASS 1188

  1. Boy this has drifted. My point, which seems to keep getting lost in the conversation, is that the term means different things in different places. Not uncommon in western gear. Different regions used different terms and gear. The way you use the term makes no sense to me because it’s not what I grew up with and the other way around. With all due respect, I don’t much care if you think I am using it wrong and I don’t much care how you use it or define it, other than to note the alternate usage. My gun actually has very little to do with the later guns, like those made by Bohlin. It uses original Nimschke engraving patterns and checkered one piece ivories, which were common on earlier guns. Engraved, color cased, and blued gun’s were well known in the 19th century, they were just not as common as engraved plated guns in single actions. Plating was much less common in cap an ball revolvers. You are right that fancy guns were not a big thing in early Californio gear, but that is largely because the hey-day of the Californio was before the revolver era. Short swords, knives, and lances were the common weapons during the early days of California. The arrival of Americans in California occurred at about the same time that revolvers became a thing. The Americans (not the revolvers) and the california gold rush led to the downfall of the Californio way of life and fortunes. After that, they didn’t have the money for fancy guns.
  2. It is not accurate to say that Bohlin had nothing to do with fancy guns. He was well known for making very fancy gold and silver grips and he embellished guns in a similar manner as his parade saddles. Attached are a couple of pictures of guns he did. The top one is his personal gun with all decorations to the gun as well as the case and accessories personally made by him. The bottom one is one he did for actor Buck Jones. Not really to my taste and late to the game, but unquestionably highly decorated guns made to show off the owner’s wealth in a parade, on the screen, or at a barbecue.
  3. Carrying a gun to church, oh what times we live in. My great grandfather left Texas around the turn of the century to run ranches in Southern California and the family never looked back. Before the idiots from everywhere else moved to California (after WWII), there was no better place to live on earth. Texas couldn’t hold a candle to it. Sadly, things have changed. My comment on a hideout gun was based on the statement that barbecue guns were short barreled so they could be concealed. I used to have my 5.5 inch Bisley on my CCW in California so could carry it to and from SASS matches. I also regularly carry a full sized 1911. I guess a hideout is what you make of it. But hideout is a term typically used for a smaller gun. By the way, Edward Bohlin worked in Hollywood California and almost all the most famous 19th century engravers were on the east coast, so while Texans may have bought barbecue guns, they sure didn’t invent them. I learned the term barbecue gun from my family and as I said it’s probably a regional variation, since we don’t have Texas rangers on the coast. California did have a long history of making and using very fancy clothes, guns, and equipment in the cattle trade, going back to the Californios and vaqueros and their cattle industry is as old or older than Texas’s. But hey, you can always tell a Texan but you can’t tell em much, so believe what you like.
  4. Interesting . In California, where I grew up in a family with a long history working with cattle, a barbecue gun is the fancy gun you wear to public events like rodeos, parades, or barbecues. Think Edward Bohlin. I don’t know of many folks who would wear a hideout gun to church. Most of the folks who would go to church wouldn’t need a hideout gun and most of the folks who needed a hideout gun wouldn’t go to church. I have heard folks talk about a “Sunday go to meeting gun” but this too would be a fancy gun and the point for it was to show off, not conceal it. I guess it’s a regional variation.
  5. Engraved with a Nimschke pattern, color cased, and blued with checkered one piece ivories. Subtle and classy. It’s a 1956 2nd gen that I bought in very bad shape and restored. Not sure why a 7.5 inch makes a bad BBQ gun?
  6. Very nice. That almost makes me want to live in Texas, but it’s a little too small a state for an Alaskan and it definitely has way too many people. Here is a shot of a set of checkered ivories Nutmeg did for my barbecue gun.
  7. I have multiple sets of elephant ivory grips from nutmeg. I like elephant the best because of the look and feel and the fact that it is traditional and period correct. I have seen some mastodon grips that are nice, but I don’t like the brown stuff (personal preference). I have seen period walrus ivory grips on original 19th century guns, but walrus ivory is quite different than elephant ivory. It also takes a very big walrus tusk to make an SAA grip. I have a set for a smith and wesson #3. I have seen Giraffe bone grips for sale but people are asking stupid money for them (as much or more than I used to buy elephant ivory for) and I can’t bring my self to spend that much money for bone. Stag grips are largely a 20th century movie and TV thing, so not my bag. Mother of pearl is period but pricy, heavy, and very fragile. In my opinion, life is to short for plastic grips or fake ivory. But hey, to each his own.
  8. The only thing I would replace factory colt grips with is elephant ivory. But now that that is banned, you can’t do better than what came from the factory.
  9. I like 45-70 and have multiple Winchester 1886s and trapdoors in the caliber. But 45-70 does not really take advantage of the potential of a single shot rifle. I read above that the 45-90 is designed for light express loads. While that is true of the Winchester loading, the sharps can do a lot better. I use a 535 grain postel bullet in my Shiloh business rifle and it shoots fine. I use BP for the most part, though I do have a smokeless load as well. I am 6-3 and don’t really mind the kick in my gun. I also have a 50-70 Shiloh to go along with an 1870 trapdoor and a NY State rolling block in the same caliber That’s a fun cartridge to shoot. if you just want a sharps in the easiest caliber to deal with, buy a 45-70. Components are all over, lots of load data is available, and you can buy loaded ammo if you have deep enough pockets to feed it that way. But, if you want take advantage of the sharps’ potential and do more than you can do with a lever gun or trapdoor, then look at some of the other calibers. I liked 45-90 because I can still use the good selection of 45 bullets and there is good data for it, but there are other good calibers available for a sharps. On the other hand, if you are bothered by recoil (which appears to be pretty common give the number of posts I have seen about how to download a 45-70) maybe you are just not a Sharps guy, though you could look at the 40s, the 38-55, or even a 32-40, all of which shoot quite well. But with these calibers I would look at an 1885 winchester which is typically a lighter gun and a more refined rifle than the sharps. just my view on the matter.
  10. I have been shooting a pair of 7.5 inch 1872 open tops and 1860 conversions for a long time (the 72s since they came out). They point like nothing else and I really enjoy them, especially if I shoot one handed. I know some folks have had issues with soft firing pins but mine have had no issues. I would encourage you to try some different models and see what feels good to you.
  11. The Farmington guns are excellent, just not as many of them around. I would do my due diligence and make sure it’s in good shape, but would not pass on it because it’s a Farmington. There were some variations made in Farmington that you don’t see as often in the Montana guns. A friend has a very nice three band paper cartridge Sharps that I think is a Farmington gun and I have seen quite a few Farmington cartridge guns. I have two Montana made cartridge sharps and a Garret paper cartridge carbine.
  12. 729357 was manufactured in 1922. Given that the war ended in 1919, there was little US military arms procurement at the time. Also, the WWI era trench guns were solid frames with six rows of holes in the heat shield. The WWII contract guns were take downs with (according to one source) four rows of holes in the heat shield. I am not sure when this transition in the heat shield design occurred and a search on line shows purported WWI gun’s with the four row heat shields. The supplied photos don’t show clearly how many rows of holes are in the heat shield, but it looks like four. Due to the relatively small number of guns produced and the fact that a lot of us trench guns were given to the south Vietnamese during the war, real trench guns are very rare in the US. There have been multiple manufacturers of reproduction heat shields of varying quality, not to mention the real heat shields made as spare parts. There is speculation that there are far more fake trench guns than were ever actually produced. Buyers need to be very careful and the gun has to tick a lot of boxes to command the price associated with a real trench gun.
  13. I worked at Old Sacramento Armory with Dick for a number of years then we started the River City Regulators along with five other good folks. Before he retired, Dick was captain of homicide for the Sacramento County Sheriffs Department and carried a nickled ivory gripped Colt Sheriffs model as his duty gun (there was a 1911 in his glove compartment as well as a riot gun, and an m16 in his trunk in case things got serious). He was a great guy and had great stories to tell about old time law enforcement. A true friend who helped me out at a critical time in my life. Another good man gone.
  14. Isn’t that Diamond Dick on the right?
  15. The pictures got me reminiscing. Here are a couple of shots from Northern California. The first one is the main stages at Railroad Flat up at Mokolomne Hill somewhere about 1985-1986 and the second one was me at the same match, back when I was a 22 year old kid and had a 28 inch waist! Not sure why I am only wearing one gun. This match changed my life. I met friends here including the late great Carl Ontis (Pawnee Bill), who got me interested in reenacting, which led to pursuing my interest in history, and eventually a Ph.D in historical archaeology. On top of that, we had a heck of a lot of fun. Sad to say, many of the old crowd are gone. But it was fun while it lasted.
  16. I remember shooting the stage on the bottom with all the red buildings. You went down stage as you shot and the last target was inside the outhouse in the center. It was in the dark and you shot it through the half moon...if you ever saw it! This kind of stage would cause a riot these days, but it was great fun. I recall that the team match was shot on this bay and the props really took a beating. Brings back good memories.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.