Marauder SASS #13056

As you may know, when the Beretta was selected as the M9, it was between the Beretta and the Sig. I think the Sig was a little better pistol with great ergonomics, but they both met the requirements. The Beretta was a lot cheaper, so Beretta won out. But many folks always preferred the Sig, so I'm not surprised they won this time out. I wonder if Sig gave a better price break this time. As to caliber, no "normal" pistol round is a good stopper. And especially with FMJ bullets! So I agree with Pat Riot about bullets. The 45 is actually only a little better than the 9mm in stopping power either way. And the 9mm does give more shots, so for the normal shoulder, it probably evens out. For special ops, I would also lean to the 45 due to better training, physical conditioning, etc. But a pistol is still a weapon of last resort.

To clarify, Joe Bowman was an top notch exhibition shooter. I don't recall how well he sang. He passed away several years ago. Jim Bowman did the song. They were both at the Mulecamp shoot for several years. Both great guys!

Thanks, Larsen. Yes, in spite of the Chisler's chiseling ways, Jim Bowman did that song for us. Unfortunately Jim never got the credit and recognition he deserved. But tis a great song!

Good question, Wade. I would think it would even out. But I would guess the advantage would be you could load the feeder while watching tv, ext. Ten it would be faster loading. So I wonder if it really saves time. So it may make it more convenient for some.

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You, or the brass ?? :D

Laser Graphic has a good strong laser that can go deeply into wood and do a great job. http://oldwestlasergraphic.com/ Done by Mogollon Drifter.

As far as I know, the Chinese guns were all solid frames. If that is the case, their tube's probably would not work for a take-down 97. I don't know who makes the new tubes for Numrich, but I would try one of those. Used tubes can have a lot of wear since they are not thick steel.

Although alcohol will work, it dries out the leather a great deal and removes important "oils." So most leather workers I know do not recommend it. You do not need to soak the leather in water, just get it wet. The sprays for setching seem to work well too. Just don't over stretch or the shells will fall out. You see that a lot.

If the threads are good, a god smith may be able to reform the tube. You may be able to do it using either metal or even wood for a form, but you have to be careful of the threats. If it doesn't work, order a new tube as mentioned.

I too was surprised to see that temperatures about 40 degrees and below lead to erratic reports on many lighter loads. I had thought that the temperature would have had to be lower before impacting the loads. Live and learn.

Thanks! Merry Christmas to all!

That would add quite a bit of cost to the gun as you may know. But many smiths could change the barrel but would probably have to craft a new tube. Is the gun for hunting?

The chambers are all made for the shorter roll crimp shells. The forcing cone allows them to be shot safely, but you will notice more felt recoil unless the chamber and forcing cone is extended to modern standards.

It was probably made in 1906 http://marauder.homestead.com/Model97sn.html The 16 gauges are not as common and many really enjoy them.

Definitely have her test the shotguns. The recoil of the Stoeger can be a problem for many due of the drop of the stock and the slightly lighter weight. Some have no problem with it, but my bride and a few others hated them, even with recoil reducers, padded stock, lighter loads, etc. If that is the case, contact Johnny as mentioned for a slicked up Baikel. The external hammer guns are fun, but a bit more challenging for someone to start, slower for practically all of us, and they are heavier, if that matters.

Click Bang dropped out due to family and work commitments. Yup, we miss him.

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Check for proper fit, then change to a lighter spring.

Clays will work, but the velocities will be low since it is a fast powder and gets the pressure up easily. I have used it but it doesn't work as well in a semi-auto often times. "Medium speed pistol powders" work best for 9mm. Such as Unique, WW 231, AA #%, AA #7, Universal, etc. Titegroup is a surprising powder that works well with 9mm, but you may notice a little more recoil and louder bang. But it is worth a try as so many top shooters are happy with it. And evidently Clean shoot works very well as Widder has shown.

First, the weasel worded lie: If they were actually concerned about safety and security, they would know that the incident was a freak "accident". And that true safety and security requires arms. Or are they providing armed security for us? Then saying essentially "we don't give a damn what you think and you won't really do anything about it anyway." Boy, I see they really want my business!

Good advice - Rugers, a 73 Rifle and a good shotgun. And as you have noticed it is best to buy the gun slicked up from a good smith. Don't forget that good leather is also vital. A set up by folks such as Kirkpatrick, Mernicle and some relatively new or local folks such as Doc Nopper make great competition leather. You want the good stuff so the only limits are your own - not having to worry if the guns will work or the holster will close up, etc. Go to a shoot and ask around as a final check before buying. As to SxS or 97, either can be really fast. Many of the top shooters now use SxS shotguns. Generally an SKB SxS. If you are strong, you can also use a heavier gun such as a Baikel that is well tuned. Some of the top still us a 97. The techniques for shotgun have evolved to where there is practically no difference between the pump and SxS. Some find they fumble less with one or the other. The 97 is slightly more complex design so it will need just a little more maintenance but can run well and fast for over a year before a part replacement is needed. All of our guns will need a little maintenance after shooting a bunch like we do. A spring here, an ejector there, etc. Welcome to the fun!!!

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Just curious, have you contacted Lee about this? They are normally pretty good about working with you. Then you can save some $ and get another unit more to your liking as well.