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Captain Bill Burt

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  1. It's a legitimate cause for concern, but one that can be addressed.  I started my middle son at 7 years old and I was always very careful to be sure he had his hearing protection, not just that it was in, but that it was in correctly.   Lead is an equally important concern.  If they're going to shoot CAS, they need to have their lead levels checked regularly. 

  2. I run Dillon dies on my 650, but your RCBS dies should work fine.  The final station on my 650 is the crimp, and it has a Dillon die.  If you're reloading multiple calibers the tool head is worth the money, IMHO.  I have one set up for 38 special and one for 32 H&R mag.  Pull a couple of pins, detach the emergency powder return bar and the whole thing comes out.  Change the plate in my shell feeder, the shell plate and a couple of small things and I'm ready to go.  Takes about 5 minutes.  I like that option because I can get all my dies set the way I like them and then not have to fool with them anymore when I switch calibers.

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  3. I've been using a pair of Decibullz for the last few years.  Cost about $20 and easy to mold to your ears.  I'm happy with them, but would be satisfied with standard foam plugs in a pinch.


    If one of our warthogs is shooting I sometimes cover my ears, or just leave the vicinity until they're through. 


    If I were shooting something like a 5.56, or 300 win mag I would put on muffs as well.



  4. 22 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

    I think if the 170 was broken or someone was swept, it would (should) be a DQ.


    The rule quoted above calls out continuous contact establishes control....


    is it safer in CAS to require a dropped/falling firearm take it's own path to rest or is it safer to attempt control/recovery?

    A couple of things.


    If the 170 had been broken or someone had been swept it would have been a DQ, as Branchwater pointed out.

    The quoted rule says nothing about continuous contact. There are two conditions that have to be met to pick up the penalty, loss of control AND the gun coming to rest somewhere other than where intended.


    Which leads to your final question. Under our current rules if a shooter loses control of a gun, but reestablishes control before it comes to rest, then it’s a no call so long as some other violation didn’t occur in the process. 

    Speaking only for myself, if I drop a gun, or someone I’m TOing for drops one I’m probably going to try to catch it.


    I don’t think Steel Challenge rules are a good fit for comparison purposes. Most shooters are using semiautos and there aren’t transitions.  IIRC you start gun in hand at the low ready position.



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  5. 17 hours ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said:


    Sounds like it. Thing is, shooting that third stage shooting gunfighter in the El Ray category will get you the MDQ.

    Seems strange to go through all that time and expense just to MDQ yourself.

    Why not try to recruit a few other people so SASS will honor the category? It’s what everyone else does.

  6. 1 hour ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

    People... Don't like them...

    Particularly people who wear tweed.


    To the OP, I don’t much care for cleaning guns and I definitely don’t like tinkering with them.

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  7. 38 minutes ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said:


    Sounds like it. Thing is, shooting that third stage shooting gunfighter in the El Ray category will get you the MDQ.


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  8. 27 minutes ago, Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life said:

    There is no logical, sensible reason to not allow Gunfighter in every category like duelist, double duelist, and one handed. The prohibitions against Gunfighter are the last asinine remnants of the gun control movement. The idea that, in order to shoot Gunfighter as an El Rey, a NEW category of El Rey Gunfighter should be established is ridiculous in the extreme. I shoot in my age based category to make others aware that a few of us older shooters are still competing. I hope to shoot in the over 100 category in a few years.


    I would like a logical reason that Gunfighter should be prohibited in age based categories. I mean LOGICAL not some residual gun control irrational BS.


    I will go  to the 2021 EOT. If I am penalized with a Match DQ after driving 3,000 miles, being a Founder Ranch Member, that would very likely throw out a huge proportion of my over 85 category members.


    Again, what tortuous lack of logic would make that sensible?

    Why would you get an MDQ, and if you did what bearing would distance traveled and Founding Member status have? Are you going there planning to register as something other than Gunfighter, but shoot Gunfighter anyway?

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  9. 10 minutes ago, Hoss said:

    Absolutely TOs call.  Not arguing that. But the shooter was most definitely double cocking, and I had twice in that one stage where I could not distinguish 2 shots (was a double tap sweep) and could not see 2 shots hit target. I’m sure the TO called what he saw. But I’m also sure they were simultaneous shots (or so close cold not discern)


    another match I was at, early in my shooting career, I saw a GF given a miss for this. I was not counter, but I clearly saw the 2 shots hit the plate, then the last shot of the string hit last target.  After much discussion a miss was awarded. Even after everyone agreed there were no misses. (Had a good berm behind targets, misses generally easy to see).  The GF was somewhat peaved, as he was given a miss he did not have, but in reality, if a penalty was due, should have been a P.  

    nobody wants to give penalties. But if they are earned it is what it is. Personally I would remove this rule from the books. Too subjective. 

    I'm not particularly fond of it myself, but if you remove it then you have to deal with the question of how do you call/not call a P on someone when you can't tell the order they engaged the targets. It's not so bad on something like a double tap Nevada, but on a regular Nevada you have to question, did he hit target 1 first, or target 2, target 3 first or target 4, or did he hit them at the same time.  Some will say benefit of the doubt goes to the shooter, but what about when the method of shooting creates the doubt?

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  10. 10 minutes ago, Hoss said:

    Has this penalty ever actually been issued? 

    ive been counting and could not distinguish the shots. I indicated P,  TO disagreed. 

    I picked it up once while shooting a stage gunfighter.  It was a double tap Nevada sweep.  Kinda hard to resist.

  11. 1 hour ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

    The APD training officer was on TV and said the officer did nothing wrong and acted exactly like they are trained.  The DA is himself under investigation after money for victim assistance was diverted into his personal checking account.  He also has a sexual harassment charge pending against him and is in a hotly contested bid for reelection.  I hope this young officer has the means to get a good aggressive attorney.  


    There's a lot of details in this case and fortunately everything was video taped from different angles.  It will all come out in court.  Unsubstantiated accusations, media posturing and political grandstanding won't hold up under cross examination.  

    Yep.  The paper pushers in Atlanta know they're going to end up taking a big bite out of a sh** sandwich, they're just trying to delay the inevitable until the mob loses interest.  The fact that they're wrecking this officer's life is an unfortunate, but acceptable cost for them.

  12. 1 minute ago, bgavin said:

    Question:  does this also apply to vehicle searches?

    For example:
    I am on my way to range and get pulled over for a speeding ticket.
    The officer wants to search my car.
    I tell him, "Not without a warrant."

    He threatens to haul me into the station to conduct the search.
    When this happened to me in NV while my Dad was dying, I let him search the truck.

    Today, I would stand fast, make him get his watch command out to the street, or whatever.


    My response is pretty standard.  If you're asking, the answer is no. Anything beyond that will likely be videoed, by me.

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  13. 5 hours ago, Chantry said:

    I'll also play Devil's Advocate.  I suspect the teacher and principal are required by law to report things like this either to law enforcement or Dept of Child Services (or your state's equivalent) .  If it had been an actual firearm, would our reactions be different?  While we are all responsible adults who would not leave a firearm out where a 12 year old can get to it, we also know there are plenty of people out there that are not responsible adults.


    Link: https://dhs.maryland.gov/child-protective-services/reporting-suspected-child-abuse-or-neglect/ or possibly https://dhs.maryland.gov/child-protective-services/risk-of-harm/


    On edit:  The more I research, the less likely I think anyone is going to be penalized for this and no, I am not a lawyer.

    I suspect a strong argument can be made in court that the teacher felt the child to be in immediate danger based on her belief that the BB gun was a real firearm and that she was required to report that to the police.  The police in this case were acting more in the role of social workers from Child Services rather then law enforcement and may not have needed a warrant under the  Exigent Circumstances.  I suspect that they asked permission to enter the house and the mother gave consent since she felt she had done nothing wrong.


    Link: https://www.sccgov.org/ssa/opp2/13_xp/13-5.html


    Exigent Circumstances Link: https://www.sccgov.org/ssa/opp2/13_xp/13-3.html#what_are


    That's not the argument the Principal is advancing.  He stated "just as (Sperry's son) cannot bring guns to school, he cannot bring them to virtual meetings as well and this is in the handbook."  So by his reasoning all school policies are extended into any of the child's environment that can be seen during virtual meetings.  If there's a picture of a gun, or a flag that isn't welcome, anything that wouldn't be allowed in school can not be around the child or visible during virtual meetings.

    I think the bozo will lose that fight.

    2 hours ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said:

    you need to read this. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exigent_circumstances Cops had every right to enter the home with or without the owners permission. They use this all the time to bypass the need for a warrant. Courts uphold this all the time.

    Kid around guns = kid at risk = gun unsecured = https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exigent_circumstances. Using this as a reason to enter if the owner had refused she could have ended up in cuffs for obstruction.

    If they ask to search, they're not authorized to, or they wouldn't be asking.

  14. On 6/12/2020 at 8:15 PM, Eyesa Horg said:

    We used to be a Democracy of the majority vote, now just one p#ss ant complains and we have to change a hundred years of history. This PC crap is getting old like me! One person in a neighboring state complained about Christmas trees on the Green, now no more Christmas trees. Give me a  break. The inmates are running the asylum.

    We have NEVER been a Democracy of majority vote.  We have always been a democratic REPUBLIC, which is not at all the same thing. 


    A democracy ruled by majority vote is exactly what the progressives want, as there would be no provisions for basic rights, everything would be subject to a vote, majority wins.

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  15. Sunlight will degrade your tires, how much depends upon the intensity of the light and the tires.  Leaving a car parked for too long will screw up the tires too.  I don't know whether the surface you're parked on impacts that or not.  My guess would be the harder the surface, the more severe the degradation.  My tires don't last long enough to worry about things like that.  I bought a new set last June and am due for another set this week.

  16. 1 hour ago, Clay Thornton said:

    Who between the spotters and the TO would be the best official to call a duelist on having two loaded pistols out at the same time?  Most TOs are focused on the muzzle of the pistol being shot and the reholster of the first pistol. Most Spotters are focused on the targets. Who can make that call and who should?

    Not a penalty until one is cocked.

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  17. That’s one of those spitten cobras. You’re lucky it hasn’t shot venom in your eyes. I hear they like to eat nanner splits too. You best kill it, pickle it and send it to the Kajun he can probably make some strong juju with it.

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  18. 6 minutes ago, WymoreWrangler SASS 46187 said:

    I'll second JM Leather in Bulls Gap Tn, very good quality and very reasonably priced with a good turn around time...  And he doesn't charge your credit card until the rig is ready to ship....

    Johnny is a great guy to work with and does excellent work.

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