Captain Bill Burt
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2 hours ago, Lucky Lead Pepper said:
For all of those that say they don't mind printing their own, what if the digital copy of the shooters book is a PDF and it is laid out to print 50 single pages. I know you select only the pages you want, but would you rather the shooters book come to you in a Word file so you can play around with the formatting and create a nice little book that fold together and can be stapled, or is 8.5 x 11 single sheets fine for you?
If you are a sponsor, how would you feel about no book being provided? If shooters print their own, they are likely to leave out the sponsor pages when they print to save paper, how do you feel about that? Doesn't seem like a fair shake for the sponsors to me.
There are a lot of places to save money in a big match, skipping shooters books are not the place in my opinion. Raise the match fee by $5 if you need to in order to provide shooters books. I want the dang book in my shooters packet when I check in!
I appreciate you bringing this up. It's touchy providing this kind of feedback. The folks we're talking about are often friends in addition to being the MDs, but if everyone is hesitant to discuss concerns, then things that need to be addressed aren't.
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Years ago I asked one of our top shooters for advice on improving my times. He watched a few of my videos and noted that I was slip hammering, which I wasn't.
The reason he concluded that was because he couldn't see any appreciable trigger movement and the reason he couldn't was because I was (and still am) using pistols set up by Jimmy Spurs with his extra set back triggers. Not only are they light, they have very little movement when firing and also very little reset. Because of that I don't think slip hammering would save me any time.I almost hate to say this because I might jinx myself, but I can't recall the last time I had to do the Ruger go round. I'm guessing 5 or 6 years ago at least.
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If by SASS state buckles you mean these, I think these are very nice buckles.
19 minutes ago, Assassin said:Other than the SASS state buckles there are no other buckles in these parts for overall or any other winners, I'm no longer match director at our state match. 7 or 8 years back we got prices on awards/plaques and the proposal was $7000. Divide that cost between 150 shooters and it's $46+ per shooter, due to the plethora of categories. Shoot books were $3.75 each. I don't own a printer and I don't want to use my phone.
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On 4/12/2024 at 4:05 PM, Max Payne said:
In my opinion, a first class shooter's book & classy awards (especially buckles) are VERY important for a good impression of the match. Certainly for annuals, state championships, & above. If either appears cheap or haphazard, it doesn't reflect well on the match. Molly's buckles are the way to go for state champions (& above). It's also a nice touch for annuals. Two good friends won the overall not long ago at a state match & received very unimpressive awards for the overall win. Not good.
If expense is an issue, raise the registration amount. It's a worthwhile investment for all involved. That's not the place to save money.
My two cents.
I agree. I'll go a bit farther. I understand the need to make a profit on a match and I understand that some of our local clubs are run by shooters who have invested in the club and expect to earn a return. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but.....
I find it hard to believe a club can host a state match with strong attendance and send the overall winner away with a $12 buckle or can host a regional match with strong attendance and send the regional category champions away with $12 buckles, but I've seen it.
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Shooter M7 Category SC RP SC Time Groundhog Cowboy 1 172.08 Fast Eddie* Elder Statesman 2 180.16 Captain Bill Burt Senior 3 203.26 Leadfoot Luke Cowboy/AAC 4 211.94 Brazos Belle Ladies Senior 5 213.56 Shelleen Senior 6 224.44 Tin Can Sailor Senior 7 227.19 Randy Saint Eagle Duelist 8 228.41 Tyrel Cody* FC 9 236.85 Hey Sugar Lady Senior 10 246.25 Preacherman GF 11 247.56 Crooked Bullet Gunfighter 12 248.95 Trail Bandit Cattle Barron 13 260.85 Badlands Bob GF 14 276.03 Krazy Kajun FC/AAC 15 278.17 Lucky Lead Pepper Duelist 16 286.17 Christian Mortician Cowboy 17 307.76 Scarlett AACG/LGF 18 322.39 Carolina Yankee Senior 19 344.38 Gunnby* LGF/AACG 20 347.34 Jimmie Gunnfighter FCGF/AAC 21 351.35 English Tom Senior 22 558.69 *CLEAN -
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This sure was a fun match! Great stages, great people, great weather!
Congratulations to Groundhog! Match winner and SC State Champion. Also congratulations to Sue Render SC Lady Champion.
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On 4/11/2024 at 4:15 PM, Tennessee williams said:
I wouldn't worry about Widder winning any speed shotgun this year. He said he's barely getting the 5th shell in by the 3 second mark.
I don’t think he’s lost that much speed. He’s probably shucking the 5th hull at the 3 second mark
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Hi Doc,
I shipped them to Snake Oil and a little less than two weeks later he shipped them to Jimmy. Jimmy is in the middle of Maple Syrup season (I got a free Maple Syrup sampler shipped with the guns!) so it took him a bit longer than usual, but I would say a little less than 5 weeks later I had them in hand.
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There was a thread about octagon barrels a while back and several folks asked me to post pictures of mine when I got them back so here they are.
I'm very happy with these. They're Ruger Single Sixes with the longer OMV grip frames, Snake Oil George 5 inch octagon barrel with brass sights, Jimmy Spurs full race package with extra set back triggers and custom base pins. I also added some nice aftermarket grips.
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LOL. Just can't let it go can you.
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When I lost my famine insurance the gentleman who built my rig offered to modify it. I told him that if he did I would surely gain that padding right back so please make a new belt for me.
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1 minute ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:
Hypotheticals aside... is the horse dead yet???
Probably not. There certainly isn't a consensus with some calling misses, some calling Ps, some calling both and some calling clean.
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15 minutes ago, Barry Sloe said:
So, with your logic - if I am shooting a plate rack, 6 knock downs, my first shot hits the frame and all the targets go down. I'm done with the plate rack and just dump the other loads? Not where I've been shooting. You shoot where the target(s) were at, then dump the extra rounds.
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If it's a plate rack, and all targets are down, shouldn't you be putting the remaining rounds on a static (dump) target? I've never seen a single shot drop six targets on a plate rack. I have seen someone hit the rack and drop two or three targets. In that case, remaining rounds go on the dump target, shooting where the plates were will give you misses.
I did once shoot the smallest plate on a tombstone rack, knock it down only to have it immediately bounce back up, shoot it again downing it only to have it bounce back up, at which point I said 'that target is down!' and moved to the dump target with the remaining rounds. I think everyone on the posse enjoyed that more than I did.
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I haven't criticized the stage writing nor do I intend this post as a criticism, but since the question was asked I'll give some thoughts.
The way this stage was written leaves the door open to some creative approaches.For example, what if the shooter draws his pistol(s) and knocks down four pistol targets, then with the next four rounds knocks down several rifle targets (intentionally or not, only the shooter would know). Maybe a round or two go into the berm. The ninth pistol round knocks down the remaining pistol target and the tenth round hits the dump target. The shooter is now faced with less than 10 standing rifle targets and has 10 rounds to engage them. At the end of the stage when questioned the shooter says that he was trying to hit that last pistol target and inadvertently hit several rifle targets.
I appears to me that the stage writer's intent was for the shooter to have 10 rifle rounds to engage 10 rifle targets, but in this case the shooter has a margin of error to get through the stage clean. I think most of us would conclude that the shooter willfully shot the stage in a manner other than intended and did it to gain an advantage, but could we call a SOG and make it stick?
I wouldn't write a stage this way for a variety of reasons, but if asked to 'correct' it such that a shooter couldn't do that I would insert a statement saying pistol rounds that hit a rifle target earn the shooter a P. That would over ride SASS rules stating that such an occurrence is a miss and prevent cheating (hopefully).
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Here’s an example of Fast Eddie magic.
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Hide the women and children it’s party time!
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He hasn’t had it yet. His doctor and I are talking Monday to schedule it.
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The check is in the mail. I'm traveling alone this time. The Iron Cowboy won't be able to defend his title as he'll be out due to shoulder surgery.
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The check is in the mail (finally). Shootin Sharyn and I will be there. Iron Cowboy will have to miss this one due to shoulder surgery.
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Maybe he's conserving his supply of blue 'ink'...?
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40 minutes ago, Barry Sloe said:
I'm curious. While all this magical shooting was going on, where was the TO and spotters?
The TO should have a clue as to which target was being aimed at.
The shooter seemed to be going down the line of rifle targets, what did the spotters see?
I'll revise my original count to 2 misses. 1 miss on target #4 and a miss for not shooting where the downed target was.
Sure wish PWB would chime in.
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So even though the stage directions said "ONLY STANDING BOTTLES OR MISSES ON THE DUMP PLATE COUNT AS MISSES." you would assess a miss on pistol target #4, which was not standing at the end of the stage? What is your rationale for that?
Also, what difference does it make what target the TO thinks the shooter was aiming at? I'm as prone to being wrong as the next guy, but I think what matters is what target the shooter hits.
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7 minutes ago, Shawnee Hills said:
Seems like "With rifle, engage the 10 rifle knock-down targets" covers that. I read it as all 10 rifle targets are to be engaged with one round each from the rifle . . . provided that it was to be loaded with only 10 rounds and no reload allowed. In the case of the already downed plate, then the shooter must shoot "where it was". Since the shooter did not do that then it seems like he/she earned a miss. Since no makeup was allowed, via "With rifle, engage the 10 rifle knock-down targets", then it appears that a P would have been earned as well. The pistol run was clean.
At least, that's how I'm reading it. May be right, may be wrong, but interested in how this shakes out.
You definitely have a point. Given what I see as some ambiguity I would not penalize the shooter.
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1 hour ago, Barry Sloe said:
1 miss and a P.
A miss because all 10 rifle targets were not engaged. The target that was down is shoot where it was.
A P because one of the rifle targets was re-engaged.
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Where in the instructions does it say that not engaging a target is a miss? Where does it say that a target can't be re-engaged
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Observation/Slip Hammer
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I can help with that. Because they believe it’s faster, and for some people it is.
I’ve only been shooting CAS for 13 years. I’ve learned that there’s a lot I don’t know, so I try to keep an open mind.