Captain Bill Burt
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I like options. Gives me a chance to burn up some brain cells. Some folks don't.
At the South Carolina State match the stage I wrote gave folks the option of sweeping right to left rifles then pistols on eight targets with a four target regressive rifle sweep 4,4,4,4,3,3,3,2,2,1 followed by a four target right to left progressive pistol sweep 1,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,4 (8 total targets slanted away from the shooter left to right with targets 4 and 8 smaller than the others). OR you could shoot left to right with progressive pistol sweep followed by a regressive rifle sweep. Basically the shooter had to choose between dumping four pistol rounds on a close pistol target or dumping four rifle rounds on a close rifle target. I thought of it as 'pick your poison.'
Most chose right to left (I did and ran it in 18 seconds and some change) and dumped four rounds on the close pistol target, BUT I did hear there was quite a bit of grumbling. Live and learn I guess.
I expect that stage won't be seen again at SC.
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I think I've already shot all the misses out of my new pistols. We'll see.
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Coming up soon! If you're not already registered there might be time! The stages look great. I spoke with Austin and he told me targets will be big and close!
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10 hours ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said:
I’m old and arthritic and short stroked Bisleys helped me considerably.
Randy
Sometimes it work out pretty well.
That's a nice run!!
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I'm not a fan of short stroked Rugers, but then I'm not a duelist either. Lowered hammers would probably help, or short stroking, or both. I know several duelists who went with Single Sixes. The smaller frame gets your thumb closer to the hammer even with stock hammers and no short stroke.
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20 minutes ago, Chief Rick said:
I don't understand the request for more clarification.
It's a round-count stage.
10 rounds - five targets - the only requirements are:
1 - start and end on P3
2 - engage P1, P2, P4, and P5 at least once.
A shooter can choose the best way to engage based on their particular shooting style.
I also really don't comprehend how it's unfair to any particular shooting style, especially gunfighters.
PWB correctly reminded me that first pistol second pistol instructions should be interpreted as first five shots, second five shots. Thats what I was referring to, the instructions Eysa Horg mentioned, not the stage, which is pretty straightforward. I would shoot it 3,3,3,4,5,1,2,3,3,3.
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26 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:
Clarification would be needed, but I would have expected those direction for EACH pistol, not P3 to be a dump target for the second pistol.
Those type instructions aren’t fair to gunfighters since they don’t have a ‘first’ and ‘second’ pistol.
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1 hour ago, John Kloehr said:
Never shot gunfighter. Would not have thought it would make a difference. Did a mental exercise. Nevada sweep on 3 plates...
First starting on plate 1. For each pair of shots, first shot is to an outside plate:
12 32 12 32 12
LR RL LR RL LR
Each pair always starts on alternating end plates, ends on plate 2.
Start on middle plate?
21 23 21 23 21
RL LR RL LR RL
Each pair starts on plate 2. That does sound fun.
My brain gave up on thinking about and comparing other sequences like:
21 23 21 23 21
RL LR RL LR RL
I'm leaning towards specified start plate if desired, but also to give consideration to not specifying one just to see how different shooters "solve the problem."
For many it may not make difference, but speaking only for myself if I’m thinking about what I’m gonna shoot next then I’m shooting too slow.
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9 minutes ago, Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life said:
Just curious why you would do it that way (starting on center). Seems to me it would be smoother to shoot 1-2-3-4-5, then 4-3-2-3-4 turning it into essentially a continuous sweep across the entire array. One of my personal struggles is to skip targets to get to another, in this case jumping either 4 or 2 to get to the middle target.
But getting back to your question I would say, absent other instructions starting on the center would be fine, no P.
Regards
Gateway Kid
It’s hard to follow gunfighter logic!
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I sure wish I could be there for this. Hopefully next year!
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11 minutes ago, Tom Bullweed said:
Nineteen yeas of shooting cowboy-action and I have not learned why anyone would use the pistol outside of its design, would take a chance on over rotation (forcing a go-around of the cylinder), or shoot the pistola in the least accurate manner.
But then, what do I know?
I can help with that. Because they believe it’s faster, and for some people it is.
I’ve only been shooting CAS for 13 years. I’ve learned that there’s a lot I don’t know, so I try to keep an open mind.
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2 hours ago, Lucky Lead Pepper said:
For all of those that say they don't mind printing their own, what if the digital copy of the shooters book is a PDF and it is laid out to print 50 single pages. I know you select only the pages you want, but would you rather the shooters book come to you in a Word file so you can play around with the formatting and create a nice little book that fold together and can be stapled, or is 8.5 x 11 single sheets fine for you?
If you are a sponsor, how would you feel about no book being provided? If shooters print their own, they are likely to leave out the sponsor pages when they print to save paper, how do you feel about that? Doesn't seem like a fair shake for the sponsors to me.
There are a lot of places to save money in a big match, skipping shooters books are not the place in my opinion. Raise the match fee by $5 if you need to in order to provide shooters books. I want the dang book in my shooters packet when I check in!
I appreciate you bringing this up. It's touchy providing this kind of feedback. The folks we're talking about are often friends in addition to being the MDs, but if everyone is hesitant to discuss concerns, then things that need to be addressed aren't.
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Years ago I asked one of our top shooters for advice on improving my times. He watched a few of my videos and noted that I was slip hammering, which I wasn't.
The reason he concluded that was because he couldn't see any appreciable trigger movement and the reason he couldn't was because I was (and still am) using pistols set up by Jimmy Spurs with his extra set back triggers. Not only are they light, they have very little movement when firing and also very little reset. Because of that I don't think slip hammering would save me any time.I almost hate to say this because I might jinx myself, but I can't recall the last time I had to do the Ruger go round. I'm guessing 5 or 6 years ago at least.
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If by SASS state buckles you mean these, I think these are very nice buckles.
19 minutes ago, Assassin said:Other than the SASS state buckles there are no other buckles in these parts for overall or any other winners, I'm no longer match director at our state match. 7 or 8 years back we got prices on awards/plaques and the proposal was $7000. Divide that cost between 150 shooters and it's $46+ per shooter, due to the plethora of categories. Shoot books were $3.75 each. I don't own a printer and I don't want to use my phone.
If
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On 4/12/2024 at 4:05 PM, Max Payne said:
In my opinion, a first class shooter's book & classy awards (especially buckles) are VERY important for a good impression of the match. Certainly for annuals, state championships, & above. If either appears cheap or haphazard, it doesn't reflect well on the match. Molly's buckles are the way to go for state champions (& above). It's also a nice touch for annuals. Two good friends won the overall not long ago at a state match & received very unimpressive awards for the overall win. Not good.
If expense is an issue, raise the registration amount. It's a worthwhile investment for all involved. That's not the place to save money.
My two cents.
I agree. I'll go a bit farther. I understand the need to make a profit on a match and I understand that some of our local clubs are run by shooters who have invested in the club and expect to earn a return. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but.....
I find it hard to believe a club can host a state match with strong attendance and send the overall winner away with a $12 buckle or can host a regional match with strong attendance and send the regional category champions away with $12 buckles, but I've seen it.
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Shooter M7 Category SC RP SC Time Groundhog Cowboy 1 172.08 Fast Eddie* Elder Statesman 2 180.16 Captain Bill Burt Senior 3 203.26 Leadfoot Luke Cowboy/AAC 4 211.94 Brazos Belle Ladies Senior 5 213.56 Shelleen Senior 6 224.44 Tin Can Sailor Senior 7 227.19 Randy Saint Eagle Duelist 8 228.41 Tyrel Cody* FC 9 236.85 Hey Sugar Lady Senior 10 246.25 Preacherman GF 11 247.56 Crooked Bullet Gunfighter 12 248.95 Trail Bandit Cattle Barron 13 260.85 Badlands Bob GF 14 276.03 Krazy Kajun FC/AAC 15 278.17 Lucky Lead Pepper Duelist 16 286.17 Christian Mortician Cowboy 17 307.76 Scarlett AACG/LGF 18 322.39 Carolina Yankee Senior 19 344.38 Gunnby* LGF/AACG 20 347.34 Jimmie Gunnfighter FCGF/AAC 21 351.35 English Tom Senior 22 558.69 *CLEAN -
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This sure was a fun match! Great stages, great people, great weather!
Congratulations to Groundhog! Match winner and SC State Champion. Also congratulations to Sue Render SC Lady Champion.
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On 4/11/2024 at 4:15 PM, Tennessee williams said:
I wouldn't worry about Widder winning any speed shotgun this year. He said he's barely getting the 5th shell in by the 3 second mark.
I don’t think he’s lost that much speed. He’s probably shucking the 5th hull at the 3 second mark
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Hi Doc,
I shipped them to Snake Oil and a little less than two weeks later he shipped them to Jimmy. Jimmy is in the middle of Maple Syrup season (I got a free Maple Syrup sampler shipped with the guns!) so it took him a bit longer than usual, but I would say a little less than 5 weeks later I had them in hand.
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There was a thread about octagon barrels a while back and several folks asked me to post pictures of mine when I got them back so here they are.
I'm very happy with these. They're Ruger Single Sixes with the longer OMV grip frames, Snake Oil George 5 inch octagon barrel with brass sights, Jimmy Spurs full race package with extra set back triggers and custom base pins. I also added some nice aftermarket grips.
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LOL. Just can't let it go can you.
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When I lost my famine insurance the gentleman who built my rig offered to modify it. I told him that if he did I would surely gain that padding right back so please make a new belt for me.
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1 minute ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:
Hypotheticals aside... is the horse dead yet???
Probably not. There certainly isn't a consensus with some calling misses, some calling Ps, some calling both and some calling clean.
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15 minutes ago, Barry Sloe said:
So, with your logic - if I am shooting a plate rack, 6 knock downs, my first shot hits the frame and all the targets go down. I'm done with the plate rack and just dump the other loads? Not where I've been shooting. You shoot where the target(s) were at, then dump the extra rounds.
BS
If it's a plate rack, and all targets are down, shouldn't you be putting the remaining rounds on a static (dump) target? I've never seen a single shot drop six targets on a plate rack. I have seen someone hit the rack and drop two or three targets. In that case, remaining rounds go on the dump target, shooting where the plates were will give you misses.
I did once shoot the smallest plate on a tombstone rack, knock it down only to have it immediately bounce back up, shoot it again downing it only to have it bounce back up, at which point I said 'that target is down!' and moved to the dump target with the remaining rounds. I think everyone on the posse enjoyed that more than I did.
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What's the call?
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You had the option of doing a regressive and then a progressive if you liked that better.