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  1. I've been shooting BP in this game for 25 yrs, and know that guns can get hot. However the Shotgun gets the hottest, and the finger tips often touch the barrel. The leather slides for the SXS fore End were the first thing to make appearances, and it was expanded to other leather wrap types. Using leather on the 97 was considered an advantage allowing the a shooter to rack the gun easier using the heel of the hand. 

     

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  2. 2 hours ago, Misty Moonshine said:

     

    Phantom, 

     

    I can certainly appreciate your view point on this- our SASS #'s have meaning and have become a moniker for our time in SASS. I was offered/gifted a lower number about 8 years ago. I took it over for awhile, but it just felt wrong. So, after just a few months, I switched back to my original #83232- with pride. :) 

     

    However, I need to point out that this is far from the first time a new(er) member took over a lower number. This practice has been going on since the beginning of SASS. Some folks take over a deceased parent's SASS number as a way to honor them, etc. There are numerous folks that have much lower numbers than the number they were issued originally. For example- Justice Lily Kate- her original SASS # was somewhere in the 38000's. But the Judge gifted her with 1000... (fun story about who/what SASS #1000 belonged to before Katie- ask the Judge or Kate to tell ya!)... another example, Coyote Calhoun- his original number wasn't 201- it was in fact, much higher. 

     

    So, as you see- this is far from the first time- and the practice has had no real effect on the perception of SASS numbers within the organization. I applaud Griff's generosity during a very difficult time- and this was for a great cause. 

     

    Misty

     

     

    Misty... I was thinking about the exact two examples that your mentioned, with Lamar and Kate. I remember razzing him about it the day it took place. I told him he didn't look any older to me. Somewhere I even have a photo of me with the original SASS #1000. Kate is a lot better looking, and has much more personality. 

     

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  3. 1 hour ago, Captain Bill Burt said:

     

    Let's say I drive into Cali with a loaded handgun in my glove box.  Perfectly legal here in Georgia, no permit needed.  What's the State Trooper who finds that gun going to do?

     

    Let's say I stick my revolvers in socks and put them on the back seat to drive from the hotel to the range.  Am I good?

     

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    Some of you that live in restrictive states can pooh pooh other's concerns, but those of us from states like say, Georgia, aren't used to those type rules.  It's pretty easy to forget that what we take for granted at home doesn't apply in Cali.

    Come on Bill, that is a Lame example that would apply to most states. If you don't have a CCW that's good in the state, then most places would nail you. That is not just here in Ca., but in most states. I'm happy for you down in Ga., that you can do anything you want legally. After the Law changes, and it will, you can still do anything that want until you get caught. That is the same here in Ca. too. I haven't heard of many folks getting their doors kicked in and the Storm Troopers racing in and dragging folks away..... at least not without good cause. Don't let your Southern Roots get you to thinking that everyone in Ca. is a Nut Case. We do have plenty of them out here, but I've been to Ga... and there are few of them there too, in fact, they are loose just about every where now days. This is going sideways, sorry. 

     

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  4. Horse Hocky.. if you want to come shoot a Cowboy  match in Ca. you have no problem doing it. And, I can buy any gun that I want to buy here. No doubt that there are a few places that allow for easier gun sales, but if you think that is going to last, you'd be wrong. Background checks and such WILL become the enforced law everywhere. It's just a matter of time.... and not a long time either.  It really gets me that some folks won't sell a gun to someone in Ca... why, because they are too lazy to get on line and get the shipment approval. If you are not doing something illegal, then just get the approval number and ship it. This idea that you can't do anything in Ca. is just not so. Yeah, it's easier in some places...……….. for now.

     

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  5. 29 minutes ago, Yul Lose said:

    CVR doesn’t have near the camping space that Founders Ranch does and that was my point. The central coast is great but how many non Californians will show up? Like it or not EOT is going to take place in New Mexico SASS, The Wild Bunch have all made big investments in facilities to be there. California’s gun laws and perceived gun laws will keep many competitors from out of state home because the risk or perceived risk is just to great.

    I didn't say that it had more camping than Founders Ranch, or that it was a better facility. I compared it to Norco. Further more, I was not intending to "Sell" the idea of relocating to CVR, I was responding to the doubt that posted as to the capability of the CVR location. No it does not have the room that Founders Ranch has, but the fact that it was done at Norco just proves that it can be done elsewhere too.  My point was to introduce the possibility of moving it around to other facilities that are located in a more desirable location. Yes, it is indeed now located in NM, and it is a fantastic facility, and they have invested a lot of money in it, but that does not mean that it is a sound business decision to continue it there. Maybe yes, maybe no.  There are two aspects here. One is the Game, the other is the private business of SASS. They are usually tied directly together, but in fact, the Business will always Trump the Game. It always has, and always will. I agree that it will never move unless the WB/BOD decides that it would be more profitable to move. That may very well never happen, but any business must consider all possibilities.  

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  6. On 8/30/2019 at 4:27 PM, Yul Lose said:

    Good points but how many non Californians will show up? I have my doubts about Chorro Valley being large enough to handle it.

    Just a comment, CVR certainly has more camping space that Norco ever had. I attended all EOTs at Norco from 1993 until the end. I didn't much care for the facilities, but the event was so spectacular and exciting that it covered up the fact that it was a less than stellar facility. The fact that it had a huge population that was somewhat local to draw from really did put it over the top.  Everyone in So Cal is looking for something to do, and it was convenient to drive out and take a look see, and they did. Those days are gone, and I'm glad that I was lucky enough to have participated in them. No doubt that the total numbers are down. Anyone that does not acknowledge that fact is just not being realistic. It might have been considered already, but it seems that if EOT were to move around to Choice locations it might draw more attention. An adequate facility at a Prime location could be leased every year and the Show could begin. There is no doubt that California's Central Coast is one of the Prime areas in the US to visit. It has the best weather to be had and plenty of places to visit up and down the coast that are within a easy and beautiful drive alone one of American most scenic routes, US. Plenty of Wine tasting at the many wineries just a quick drive away. The Shooting facility is at least as good, if not better than it was at the Old EOT.  It would take a huge commitment from the local club, and even more support from SASS in the form of warm bodies to do the work. But there might be a possibility of drawing a lot of help from the huge College crowd just 12 mi down the road. I'm sure that there are other Prime spots that could also be considered on a rotational basis.  But moving around would certainly give more exposure to key locations around the country. There are a lot of places that folks would rather visit than the current location. It might not be feasible, and is just a thought, but as nice as the Founders Ranch is, the location hurts it. The ONLY reason that they get what they do get is because they are the Worlds Championship, and shooters have absolutely no other choice than to attend if they want to go to the World Championship. There is no other reason to be there.  If that draw were to be coupled with a place that folks would actually like to visit,  it might enjoy a resurgence.

     

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  7. 2 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

    Many folks here seem to think it's easy...no problem...to tell someone that they cannot spot any more because of their lack of ability...particularly when they are one of the few that are enthusiastic about spotting.

     

    It has to be done...but it sure the hell ain't easy.

     

    Phantom

    It's not easy, and I sure don't want anyone to think that I encourage it on any regular basis. If it has to be done and can not be corrected, then it must be done.  I've done it only 3 times. Although there have been a number of time that I have ask a spotter to pay better attention.  Once was with one of my best friends.. he had some visiting guest that he just continued gabbing with while spotting, and IMO it was effecting his ability to do the job right.   I finally just took the Spotters stick from him and told him to go ahead and visit.  Once was a guy at the Western Regional that would just sit back on his cart and would simply report what the other two spotters would report. He was not in a good position to see from where he was sitting. I ask for the stick and told him that I wanted someone that could move around and see what was going on. It didn't seem to bother him. The third time was the worst. It was at WR. A very top ranked young shooter would grab a spotting position on every stage. He would then proceed to actively yell and coach every shooter on his team through the course of fire. I ask him to stop, but he just said that was the way that they trained together and wouldn't stop. He was constantly in my way and would miss a lot of calls because of this "Cheerleading". I ask him to give me the flag and stop spotting. He got pissed and made a scene about it. It was the worst posse that I have ever had in my life. 

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  8. Man it happens! A few years ago I found myself standing there imitating a post. It dawned on me that I had simply lost my concentration. Turns out that I needed some water and a cookie. That brought me right back, but now I watch for it. I normally do 5 shooters and pass off my duties as a Spotter or a T.O. After a little R&R, I will go back and relieve someone. We are all a team, and everyone should be supporting the Shooter best they can. 

     

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  9. Good post.  IMO other than the shooter, Spotters are the most important factor in determining who wins. Their ability to make the right call is paramount in this game. I totally agree that Spotting is becoming more difficult in today's game than it use to be. For some reason people will jump right into the Spotters position before they will assist in other needed positions. Too  many times I've seen Spotters "Asleep at the Wheel", just kinda standing there taking up space. It is a job that requires the person to be attentive and alert. A spotter should not be gabbing all the time , he/she should be closely watching the action. Since spotter provide feedback to the T.O., they need to have a good understanding of the rules. Very few people can maintain the attention needed to do a good job of spotting for the entire stage. Spotters need to take a break and hand it off to someone else that is fresh. I read the question about how do you know if a spotter is not doing a good job. Well there are a number of signs that would indicate that the spotter ought to be replaced. Constantly looking to see what the other spotters have before making their call, or constantly being out of step with the other spotters, constantly gabbing rather than paying attention. Trying to spot while sitting on his backside away from the action. Sorry about that, I know that some folks must sit down, I need to do it some myself, but you CAN NOT do a good job of spotting while sitting on your donkey. A spotter needs to be mobile so that he/she can actually see what is going on. A big match is not the place for a newbie to learn the art of Spotting.. we all need the practice, but there is a time and place for most things. Watching for the miss is a good way to make a good call if the surroundings are suitable, such as a dirt bay or such. Seeing where the bullet hits can offer major feedback as to a solid hit, an edge hit or a clean miss. Bottom line is that anyone in the Spotting position should be doing a good job, no excuses for age, infirmities, or anything. If you can't do a good job of Spotting, then don't get into the position. If you are the T.O. and don't like the way someone is spotting, then gently replace them.   

     

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  10. Yeah... I was indeed taking it to the max. It would have little effect at a monthly match, and it really wouldn't matter much to me. I was just basically quoting the rules. I would not allow it at a big match. So the guy is allowed to change categories... and then he goes on to knock someone else out of a buckle, SASS rules were not followed, and now the guy that gets knocked down a notch is not happy, and has every right to be unhappy. That's not right IMO. Borrowing a gun to get through the day would be my first choice at any match, that would not be breaking any rules. Of course there is the option of shooting the one gun and changing the cylinder or reloading that gun on the clock. That's also legal.  My old friend Tom Dudley Squat use to do that all the time. At a local monthly match it would be easiest and have the least consequences to just allow him to use the extra pistol with the adjustable sights.  That would have little effect on anyone. IMO, changing categories should be the last consideration, and to repeat, it really doesn't matter much at  monthly match., anything higher than that I would not be flexible. If I were there, I'd just give him the ammo and let him shoot one of my guns and continue.

     

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  11. Well, how wonderful, if we can switch Categories then I think I'll go to WR, shoot Elderstatesman with both hands and Smokeless for the first 11 stages, and then switch to Senior FC Duelist.  I'm sure that nobody would have a problem with that. If you are at a local monthly match, then just let him continue to shoot the gun with adjustable sights. THAT is a much better answer than allowing a category change in the middle of a match.

     

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  12. 5 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

    IIRC-Age based category, you can use adjustable sights.

    Am I remember'n that 'rite'??:unsure:

    OLG

     

    Yes, but category requirements must first be met. 

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  13. No, you did not, and neither did I. You ask if there was any hope for you.... I tried to give you a honest answer.  It is up to you and those around you to determine if you are safe. I've accommodated many folks in many ways. If they can not get up into the buckboard, then they can stand beside it, but I won't deprive the rest of the group by not using the Buckboard. Any club should be happy to do what they can to allow you to play the game. So, to answer your question as directly as I can, Yes.

     

    Snakebite


  14. Well NS I guess that I just don't understand your post a well as I should. I haven't seen any stages even close that in well over 20 yrs. We always try to accommodate  folks as best we can, but at some point that is just not possible. If you are able to safely play the game, then great, if you are not, then unfortunately it is time to find something else. That's not meant to be mean spirited, it is just a fact of life. I'm 72, and also have some problems that I have to deal with. It gets harder every day, but I'll be damned if I will ask everyone to change the game or the stage for me. We had a guy that insisted that we write all the stages so that he could shoot them from his little scooter. We had a shooter that was so blind that he was simply unsafe with his Fire Arm handling. No body wanted to approach him about it, saying that it was the only thing he had left in life, so I was put on the spot to handle the situation. Nobody wants to be the Bad Guy. Bottom line is this. If you can play the game safely, with some amount of dispensation, then that is great. When it gets to the point that you can not, then unfortunately it is time to quit. We can not, should not, and will not allow anyone that is unsafe to participate. It's just has to be that way. I hope it works out for you.

     

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  15. Ain’t no doubt that the Spotters play an important part in this Game. They need to be diligent in their work, and realize that they can become tired, and should seek relief or be relieved when their concentration is dwindling.  Since they provide feedback to the T.O. upon which calls are made, they ought to be reasonably familiar with the rules of the game. The books do a good job defining the things that the Spotter should do. Benefit of the Doubt is a good thing as long as it is not over used. The old adage (certainly not anything from the rule books)  that if you don’t see a miss, then it is a hit, does not work at every range or stage. It has a great deal of merit, but is only pertinent on stages where a clean miss can be seen. Stages with vegetation behind the targets make it difficult to see a clean miss.

    No doubt that Stage writing can have an effect upon the ability of Spotters to see all the targets depending upon prop placement. Buildings can often make it difficult for all Spotters to see the targets. Writers would do well to consider that. It is often possible to cut another opening in the prop to facilitate the Spotters view. Of course in the case where Spotter viewing is extremely difficult, Knock Down targets can really help. I like the occasional stage that allows the shooter to choose what order things are done or shot, but IMO, the particular area that the scenario is played out on needs to be considered. In a wide open area, Spotters should be able to keep up, and like has been mentioned, once a good shooters does it, virtually everyone will do it the same way. 

    At the “End of the Day”, one fact remains true, All Spotters are Dirty, Rotten, Cheatin, Liars, every time I get a miss I tell them so!  :P

    We are a self-regulating game. All of our functions are performed by all of us. Some of us are better at it than others. We should all strive to do our best, and continue to learn as we move along.  The major reason that the RO courses were set up was to improve in this area. I never failed to spend a little extra time in the RO Course instruction when it came to advising the Spotters on how to do their job effectively. Next shooter Please.

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  16. Don't change a thing, leave everything set as it is and load any Remington hull and it will be just right!  If you want to load the AA, first I would try backing off the crimp die just a tad.. if you are not happy with the resulting crimp, then you need to do something to lower the column inside the shell... either less shot, less powder, or shorter wad. THAT is why a lot of folks use adjustable shot/powder bars, and everybody lived happy ever after..... the end.

     

    Snakebite


  17. OK, we are drifting away here. I ask the question because most matches charge for the Speed Matches and the Plainsman match. I do, in fact, know of clubs that charge for the Long Range match.  It can cost MUCH more to put on the Long Range match than either the Speed or Plainsman match if you are shooting anything other than a old Fender off of a Ford truck, or paper at 100 yds. Purchasing two sheets of steel and having them cut out to be a Buffalo, building the mounting structures and then mounting them on trailers to move them around can get expensive. We have never charged for the Long Range match, but I was considering recommending it, so just wanted to hear from others on the issue.  Tnx

     

    Snakebite 

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