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PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L

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  1. 12 hours ago, Irish-Pat said:

    I have a nice 1895 Winchester.  There is no place for it in SASS because of the box magazine.  It will never out shoot bolt actions. I was wondering if possibly I might Could shoot in BAMM.  I certainly don’t expect To beat any Springfield 1903s. 1895’s were made in military models. I would enjoy shooting it at some matches. Any suggestions? I have two 1903’s so don’t tell me just to buy if of them. Irish ☘️ Pat




    There are five categories in long range or precision rifle competition, plus one optional category:

    - Lever action, revolver caliber.

    - Lever action, rifle caliber.

    - Single Shot.

    - Buffalo Single Shot.

    - Optical.

    - Open Category (may be used at the match director’s option to include those firearms not covered by other official Long Range Categories).


    SHB p.31

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  2. I received the same from the NW Regional CRO (supposedly).
    The direct contact email addresses are listed on the SASS links to the RO Instructors.

    Common (apparently) for scammers to use a website's contact list by pretending to be the head of the organization and request "help" in purchasing gift cards or such for donations or gifts.


    Same happened to me twice with a fake "from" address for the President of the OR State Shooting Assn.
    I have an email address as a Director that forwards to my personal email.
    The request was for $2000 in "gift cards" for the other board members as  "surprise" appreciation awards at our annual meeting.

    Wanted me to scan the cards & codes, then email to confirm purchase...to be reimbursed at a later date.

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  3. If you "click" on "HOME"  while on the Wire it should take you to that same place with a menu/index page with all of the forums listed.
    The FAQ's is at the top of that list.


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  4. 35 minutes ago, Tequila Shooter said:


    @PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L I enjoyed your videos, found them on YouTube.  In the 2013 thread John Boy said that the videos were made into a sticky.  I don't see it now, was that something that didn't transition with the site's update since then?  Any thoughts to re-post it as a sticky?  


    Thank you.

    Generally, "pinned" posts on the Wire have an expiration date, particularly those pertaining to rule changes & clarifications.
    Once the change/clarification is codified in the SHB, those types of posts are "unpinned" and archived.

    The YouTube videos were created relevant to a proposed rule change (finalized in 2015), but can still be located by a YouTube search.
    There is also a "live link" to the video playlist in the SASS 2015 TG Summit Agenda .

    The Territorial Governors' "YES" vote can be found in the TG Summit Minutes Dec 2015 (Item #3)

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  5. No call.

    Stage hadn't even started yet (incident occurred while staging the rifle).

    Send the shooter to the ULT to clear the rifle and verify that there is no obstruction in the barrel.

    Move to LT to reload rifle for a RESTART.


    Restart – no recorded score, shooter is given a clean restart. 

    SHB p.46

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    Lyman imports were made by Uberti and ASP. The 1858 Remingtons were made by Uberti.

    You can verify this by the Uberti stamp on the right side of the barrel which is a u surrounded by an octagon outline.
    The year stamp is on the right side of the revolver just above the top of the trigger guard.




    If I could look at your gun I could tell pretty quickly if it is marked. Look under the rammer or along the barrel. There you may see a mark like the muzzle of an octagon barrel with a "U" in the bore [Uberti], or ASM/SM for Armi San Marco, or DGG/Euroarms/Armi San Paolo, Palmetto (palm tree), FAP inside a diamond or the word Pietta. I am unfamiliar with the Belgian markings. The older Lymans were Ubertis and good guns.

    quote posted by Hellgate on Highroad (2005)

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    Dropped firearm – a firearm that has left the shooter’s control and comes to rest at a location or position other than where it was intended.

    SHB p.45



    As long as the shooter has contact with the firearm, it is considered in their control.

    SHB p.17



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  8. 29 minutes ago, Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 said:

    Never thought of trying a cavalry twist from a cross draw holster... seems like it would be awkward.  


    It takes practice.


    23 minutes ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said:

    a lot of it depends on how much cant your cross draw has...


    ...and where the holster is located on the belt.

    REF: the "demo" videos in the above linked 2013 discussion thread.

    Those were presented to prove that Cav/twist-draw is not inherently unsafe.

    (previously, that style of draw was legal in all categories EXCEPT Gunfighter)

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  9. Just now, Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 said:



    So what is the defining line?  As soon as one gun clears leather then you can grab the other?



    Gunfighter style competitors are prohibited from utilizing a simultaneous “double cross draw” method of drawing or holstering revolvers. 

    SHB p.7

  10. 2 hours ago, Goody, SASS #26190 said:

     I would disagree. Much like duelist is allowed in any category, so should GF. By allowing competitors to choose the most efficient way to shoot each stage you would let them be their best. You see this in B Western, for example. While a competitor may shoot in any style they wish, I have never in my recall seen anyone shoot the entire match as a GF. Obviously the specific rules for GF would still exist, no cross draws for example. For those who say this would kill the GF category I would suggest looking to the aforementioned duelist style. It has been allowed from day one in any category and the duelist specific categories continue to thrive.


    But of course this is just my opinion.


    Gunfighter-style shooters ARE allowed to use cross draws, just not for both revolvers at the same time:


    Gunfighter style competitors are prohibited from utilizing a simultaneous “double cross draw” method of drawing or holstering revolvers. 

    SHB p.7

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    Potential Regulators are nominated by SASS members or officials. It should be clear in the nomination letter, this nomination is a consensus opinion, not just the feelings of a single individual. Recommendations are received by the Wild Bunch for consideration. Successful candidates are recognized at END of TRAIL with public acknowledgment of their contributions and presentation of the unique, personalized Regulator Badge.

    A Regulator does not have to be a life member or club officer. To nominate a Regulator, please send a detailed recommendation letter to the SASS Office. Include as many signatures as possible. No official form is required.

    All nominations must be submitted by April 1st.

    Click Here for a Complete Listing of our esteemed SASS Regulators!


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  12. 8 minutes ago, JohnWesleyHardin said:

    Shooting out of category?



    Both revolvers may be cocked at the same time but must be shot one at a time to facilitate scoring. 

    SHB p.7 - "GUNFIGHTER STYLE" regs



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    Failure to comply with the rules for any shooting style category will result in the progressive penalty for “Failure to adhere to the guidelines of the shooting category” (see penalties section).   

    SHB p.6



    Progressive Penalty – Procedural for the first infraction, Stage Disqualification for the second infraction, Match Disqualification for the third infraction.  Example: failure to adhere to category requirements. 

    SHB p.46



    Shooting out of category – failure to adhere to category-specific requirements/restrictions. 

    SHB p.46



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  14. 14 minutes ago, Cat Brules said:
    ===>  PALEWOLF:
    Would it be appropriate for you to grab Calamity’s .pdf file (for downloading), and the expanded text, and making it a “sticky” topic for the Wire?





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  15. Splatter Isn’t Necessary Calamity Jane Canary SASS 40978 Life

    I notice there’s a lot of chatter about "bounce back", splatter, and the (supposed) role "wimp loads" play in people getting hit with lead. I have also noticed that getting hit with splatter seems to be quite common and seems to be regarded as one of the hazards of the game.

    I don’t believe it HAS to be this way.

    Being the anal-retentive (engineering) type that I am, I decided to give some serious thought to the matter of shooters and spectators being hit by lead at Cowboy Action matches.

    The Research

    Prior to constructing our targets and stands, we did a little research. First, we polled the people on The SASS Wire about target construction and occurrences of splatter or "bounce back" and we received some good advice on target design and stand construction (as well as some BS that doesn’t make sense to anyone who passed high school physics). We built some targets and did some experiments in the winter snow to see where the bullets and fragments went with various loads, from "hot loads" right down below "wimp loads".

    One of the first things that was apparent was that there is no such thing as "bounce back" from a properly designed and supported target and that splatter is predictable and controllable!

    "Hot loads" disintegrate when striking a target and the debris flies off in a predictable pattern from the target face as "splatter"

    If there is nothing in the debris path to deflect the debris back toward the shooter, the debris all lands within the "spray zone" and safely down range. Very light loads (right down to hand-thrown), strike the target, impart their energy to the target, and fall to the ground within a foot or two of the target. The lower the bullet velocity, the more of the original mass that is retained in the slug that falls to the ground and the less of the bullet mass that goes off as spray. With a high velocity round, most of the bullet’s lead goes off in small fragments as spray within the spray zone.

    With multiple targets, it is important that two targets together do not form a "double bounce" path back to the firing line (or other points behind the line).

    Target & Stand Design

    To lessen the chance of ricochet, our targets and stands were designed to ensure there are no "included angles" approaching 180 degrees (see Figure 2). For this same reason, we do NOT use re-bar for target stands since re-bar has a textured surface which creates an unpredictable deflection of the spray; we use hot rolled steel rod which has a smooth surface.

    Figure 2

    Our targets are all made from 3/8 or 1/2" mild steel plate. They were laid out in AutoCAD (to preclude any 180 degree included angles) and CNC cut by a local steel supplier (to ensure smooth edges).

    Our stands are tripods (with three links of chain welded to the rods to form the pivot). The back leg of the tripod is planted firmly in the ground so that it is at right angles to the firing line (this ensures that the target will remain at a right angle to the firing line) and the two supporting legs are positioned BEHIND the target face and out of the spray zone.

    Our hangers (target mounts) were designed to ensure the target is free to swing (when hit by a bullet), will always hang with the target angled slightly downward (when viewed by the shooter), and that the target will remain parallel to the firing line during the match. The hangers are simply short length of iron pipe that have been slit on the bandsaw. One tab is bent into the pipe so the hanger will slip on to the stand a few inches. The other tab is bent into a hook to hold the target see Figure 3.

    Figure 3

    Secured to the back of each hanging target is 2 links of "binder chain" (Binder chain is a flat chain that will only flex in one direction - it's cheap!) (see Figure 4). The chain ensures the targets don't rotate from side to side in the breeze. The binder chain is bolted to a threaded hole in the targets and the end of the bolt (facing the shooter) is ground off flush with the target face (see Figure 5). The chain is attached slightly below the top of the target to ensure the target angles slightly downward (with the bottom of the target farther away from the shooter - see Figure 6)

    Figure 4 Figure 5 Figure 6

    With the target hung in this manner, it will remain parallel to the firing line (as set by the rear leg of the tripod), will hang at the proper angle, the feet of the tripod are behind the spray zone, and the joint in the tripod is behind the target. All this combines to leave the spray zone free of any obstruction that could redirect bullet fragments back toward the firing line.

    These are some of our targets (see Figure 7).

    Target Placement

    Even with good targets and stands, it is very important that the targets be placed correctly and that the splatter pattern is considered when doing the range setup for a match.

    Placement of each target must consider WHAT is within the spray pattern! Other targets, props, even rocks or stones on the ground can provide a second surface that will direct spray or bullet fragments back toward the shooter. This should (hopefully) be in the mind of the stage writers when laying out target patterns but the final check should be made by the Range Safety Officer after the targets are set out. Stand beside each target facing the firing line, extend your arms out parallel to the target face, and see what is close to the plane of the target, with the splatter zone. Bear in mind that splatter can travel a long distance and will fan out in a full circular disk parallel to the target face - anything within that zone WILL be hit by splatter.

    The Worst Targets and Stands

    Among the worst targets I have encountered for spray and ricochet are round pipes suspended vertically - they are virtually guaranteed to cause spray and ricochet all over the range. Any flat target that is placed at an angle to the firing line WILL put spectators and other shooters within the spray zone. Re-bar stands, because of their textured surface, WILL send spray in unpredictable directions.

    Calamity’s Challenge

    If anyone anywhere experiences "bounce back" or splatter from targets designed, supported, and placed as described in this article, please carefully record the details and forward them to me (pictures would also help). In my humble opinion, there is no reason that any Cowboy Action shooter needs to experience splatter at a match. This is a hazard we can eliminate but only through careful study and analysis. Assuming "this" or "that" is the reason someone got hit is not good enough - urban legends and suppositions wont cure the problem but science can.

    We are in our second year using "Calamity’s super deluxe engineered targets and stands" and have not had a single case of a shooter being hit by spray or bullet fragments. I don’t see any reason why it shouldn’t be that way at every range!

    Calamity's Splatter Report-1.pdf 230.21 kB · 8 downloads

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