H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
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14 hours ago, Philosopher said:
Thanks for the responses! Big brother is going to liberally lube up the action of the. 45 Colt AWA Lightning and see if that changes things.
My "primary" Lightning is an AWA in .45 Colt. It is the only rifle I've ever shot a clean match with. But, it must be kept clean. It is way to easy for the firing pin channel to get clogged with gunk, which will cause the occasional failure to fire. At the very least, I squire the bolt face end of the firing pin with Gun Scrubber after every match. You'd be surprised how much crud flushes out after only 6 stages.
Most recently, I tried running .45 Schofields in it. Worked perfectly, but yeah, even dirtier!
On the other hand, .44-40 and .32-20 Lightnings by Colt and AWA stay much cleaner. -
7 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:
In your Rossi 92 you'll likely need to shoot .357 vice 38 specials. most 38 special length ammo in a 92 action tends to stove pipe or have other feeding issues when run fast.
Dave speaks the truth. The same can be said for trying to run .44 Specials in a .44 Magnum Rossi. Their guns don't seem to like shorter than normal ammo.
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Until very recently, License and Registration were what was asked for. More recently, you hear them asking for License, Registration and Proof of Insurance.
License: Driver's license. Called a Driving license in the UK and perhaps some other countries.
Registration: Document that says who owns the vehicle in question.Insurance: Document that proves you have car insurance.
In some states, the registration IS proof of insurance, as you can't register the card unless it's insured. In Massachusetts, for example, your insurance provider is listed on your registration. There is no need to carry a separate proof of insurance document. This may or may not be true in other states.
And, believe it or not, car insurance is optional in New Hampshire, as long as you have never had an at fault accident. Most people DO have it though, as if you do have an at fault accident, you have to pay for it out of your own pocket.Auto insurance/driver's license rules are set by individual states (and/or territories) not the Federal Government because of the 10th Amendment. But, because of the full faith an credit clause, each state must honor every other state's issued stuff like that.
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2 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:
Why not do a heavy duty clean on the magazine tube, follower and such?
Oh, I cleaned the tube when I got the gun. Wasn't really all that dirty to begin with.
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On 6/20/2025 at 8:31 PM, watab kid said:
why not find an original marlin ? they are out there
Sure, that's the main plan. I was just wondering if there are any replicas for an option if I do decide to go down the Marlin road. -
3 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:
What was finicky about the 32-20 '66?
There were a few failures to feed. A round did not come out of the magazine a few times. It never jammed, but once or twice it "felt" a little clunky. But not all the time.
I wonder if the well documented magazine liner would help. -
As far as the cartridge LeMat goes, .38 S&W and a .45-70 shotshell.
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Let's assume that there is a revolver on the market that could handle the .45-45. All it would need would be a cylinder that holds the cartridges, and a barrel with the correct bore. The latter is easy enough to do. The former is more questionable, but if a large enough cylinder exists, it could be done.
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11 hours ago, Yul Lose said:
I believe the Taurus Thunderbolt and Beretta Goldrush slam fired also. I’ve got 3 Pedersolis that Lassiter did the slam fire mod on. I slam fire on all targets, Nevada sweep, alternate, dump whatever, it’s just something I like to do. If the guns will do it why not do it? I rarely if ever miss with my Lightnings. I’m just starting to use the one that I converted to 38-40 and it may be the smoothest of the 3.
Why not indeed. If you have the skill to actually DO it and still hit the targets, then go for it.
Me, I lack the skill.
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5 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:
Okay, I guess that any existing pistol except for a BFR or an old Century would be out. Would it be worth it, (to you), to have an SAA, or anything else for that matter, barrel bored out to handle the .458 bullet, and the chamber reamed out for the case? Maybe a .454 Casull like a Taurus Raging Bull. Or might a Super Blackhawk have the beef to handle it.
Too make a long story short, I did some measuring. A Walker is not big enough. Nor is the Uberti SAA clone in .44 Magnum that has a slightly enlarged frame.
Part of the "problem" is that the .45-70 is not a straight case, it is tapered jus a bit to be wider at the base than the mouth. Just wider enough that things don't fit.
I'd still enjoy finding one of the old Centuries though, just for fun.
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2 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:
Would it work in a Taurus Judge? Or a S&W Governor?
If those pistols are chambered for .45-70, yes.
If they are not, no. -
I have one of those Stevens rifles, and several Lightings.
I does look like a cross between a Stevens and a Colt 1878. I'd buy one. Although, I'd "prefer" it to be .38 S&W, but let that go. Actually, thinking about it, if it was a .38 Short Colt, you could pair it with any revolver chambered for .38 Special or .357 Magnum and use the same ammo. But let that go too.
Of course, if it was a .45, I would pair it with this...
I wish SASS would legalize the Mares Leg. This new gun would fall under that, I think.
I'll buy one, if they are Mass Compliant.-
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Well, I already designed the cartridge....
The cartridge on the right is a .45-70.
The cartridge on the left is a .45-70 cut back to .45 Colt length. I call it the .45-45. Both are loaded with the same 300 grain .458" bullet I used data for a .45 Colt with a 300 grain bullet to develop a load.
I "designed" it for use as a sub round in single shot rifles chambered for .45-70 for informal plinking. It works very well in that context. No recoil whatsoever.
On a whim, I loaded some into my Winchester 1886, and they worked! You have to be a little careful, but they did properly cycle. I also tried them in a Uberti 76 in .45-60. The double feeded, (Or is that double fed?) so they did not work. Then I tried them in my large frame Colt Lighting. Dang it all of they did not function flawlessly and with no need to slow down or be careful. That made me quite happy.
I did ask the powers that be if the cartridge would be SASS Legal in several different contexts, and I was told no. No biggie. I did it for informal reasons to begin with.
But now that the cartridge "exists," it would perhaps be fun if I purpose built gun could be made for it. It would of course work in those behemoth sized pistols chambered for .45-70, but maybe something only slightly larger than a standard SAA could work with it. Or some sort of a repeating rifle. No need to purpose build a single shot rifle, as any .45-70 would do.
Hey! Maybe a derringer for it would be nice. As far as I know, the only derringers for .45-70 are single barrel ones, this one could be no more powerful than the hottest .45 Colt loads. Interestingly, I did not design this to be a "hot .45" I designed it to be a "mild .45-70."-
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1 hour ago, Warden Callaway said:
I converted my 91 Marlin to 32 S&W for easier availability of components. I shot it in one match. It worked but no advantage. It had to be worked very deliberately.
If I had just purchased one of these guns "to have one" I would have probably done the conversion as well. But since I had (have) a plethora of ammo in the Colt round, well, that's why I bought the rifle, so no conversion.
You comment about it having to be worked very deliberately struck a note with me. I'd describe my own experience with the gun along similar lines. That, suggests, to me that this is just the way that particular gun is.
Won't be winning any speed contests with this rifle. Well, *I* won't be winning any speed contests with ANY rifle, but this one is much more slow thanks to it's "deliberateness." That being said, it did seem to be very accurate. Perhaps if I find a pistol caliber rifle accuracy side match, this would be a potential candidate for that event. We shall see. -
If you count the large and small frame, then I have 4 Colts. They all slam fire.
I have 2 AWA's. They both slam fire.
I don't yet have any of the others, so I don't know if they slam fire or not.
To be honest, unless you've got a BIG dump target for 10 rounds, I'd not do it; to much a chance to miss!
Well... The only other time I've slam fired was on a progressive sweep, with 4 shots at target 4. I slammed the 4 there, after having already lost my clean match. Hit all 4. -
31 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:
Please post pictures of the rifle.
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Well, I finally got my old Marlin 92 in .32 Centerfire working, and today, I took it to a Cowboy Shoot to put it through its paces.
BTW, kudos to Monsieur Gunner of the Danvers Desperados for putting on a fun shoot!
Anyway, the Marlin 92, as many of us know, was a gun that came from the factory with 2 firing pins, one for .32 Rimfire, and the other for .32 Centerfire. The ".32 Centerfire" in question is either .32 Short Colt, or .32 Long Colt. A while ago, someone gave me a whole buncha .32 Long and Short Colt ammo, so naturally, I had to get a gun to shoot it with. Hence my acquisition of a Marlin 92 in the caliber.
I found it to be an enjoyable gun to shoot, if a bit finnicky in its operation. I started out with .32 Long Colt, and while rounds did cycle through the action just fine, they had a tendency to not fully extract. When they did, it was like the rifle just popped them out to drop them nearly straight down next to the gun. Did not throw them at all in any direction. The timer could not hear the report of the Long Colt rounds, but the gun was pretty accurate. For the next stage, I tried the .32 Short Colt. It didn't have any failures to extract, but was finnicky in other ways. I think this was operator error on my part. You really gotta work the lever hard on this gun to get the innards to move around, and if you are too gentle, nothing much happens. Anyway, sometimes the spent case would stay in the action, and I'd have to tip the gun over to shake the case out, which also caused 2 live rounds to get dropped out as well. All in all, it was a little frustrating, but you know, it was still a fun gun to shoot. Oh yeah, if you thought the .32 Long Colt was quiet, the .32 Short Colt was REALLY quiet. And this was with vintage Winchester factory ammo!
I think it is fair to say that this gun has participated in its first, and last, Cowboy shoot. Going forward, this is likely to be just an informal plinker. I attribute my troubles with it to a combination of user error, and the reality that the gun was in pretty bad shape when I got it, and had to be sorta rebuilt by my gunsmith to get it working (more or less) properly. Maybe one in better condition would work better, but I am not enough of a Marlin fan to bother. This one will be enough for me.For the record, Stage 1 was shot with an Uberti 66 in .32-20.
Stage 2 the Marlin with .32 Long Colt
Stage 3 the Marlin with .32 Short Colt
Stages 4, 5 and 6, back to the Uberti and .32-20.
This Uberti was "new to me." I gotta be honest and say I found it to be much more finnicky than my real Winchester 73, 92 and Colt Lightning in the same caliber. This surprised me as I did not expect any trouble. I have 2 other Uberti 66's and a Uberti Henry and they all work just fine. (.44-40, 44-40 and .45 Colt. Maybe that's the difference.)
Well, that's all.-
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7 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said:
The Winchester 1893 and 1897 pump shotguns were both also John Browning designs!!
Actually, the term “carbine” denotes a shorter barreled rifle, usually with a barrel length less than 20”. So all carbines are rifles, but not all rifles are carbines. Those with barrels longer than 20” are considered rifles, regardless of the cartridge or caliber.
A more “modern” classification of pistol caliber carbine has been adopted to denote semi automatic guns originally built around rifle caliber ammunition that are redesigned to use modern pistol ammunition.
Okay, yes, Browning did design the 93 and the 97. But remember, for the purposes of this discussion, the names of the families are very arbitrary, and are based on the action and/or the appearance of the guns I mean, you could put the Marlin 98 series in the Marlin square bolt family if you wanted to. But I wouldn't because a pump gun doesn't belong in the a lever gun family.
And yes, a carbine is in reality just a short rifle, but like I said in the first post, for the purposes of this discussion, I defined rifle and carbine on the basis of the types of cartridges they fire.
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So... What are they, Dapper?
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6 minutes ago, Leroy Luck said:
Your Winchester Browning family… doesn’t the 1887 qualify for the shotgun? It was designed by John Browning.
Well, yeah, you could just as easily put the 87 in the Browning family as in the Toggle Link family for the reason you just said.
In the end, I very "arbitrarily" put it in the Toggle Link family because it "looks" like it belongs there. It just doesn't look like a part of the Browning "family."
I don't know if that makes any sense or not, but that's how I made it up.
I guess I had to draw the lines *somewhere." I mean, I considered putting a Winchester 97 in the Lightning family, calling it a "distant cousin" but that just didn't make sense.
Of course, with your own collection and family groupings, you can modify in the way that makes the most sense to you. -
And finally, what I call the Winchester 94 Family.
Theoretically, this family could have a shotgun, Winchester did market the 94 in .410 for a short while, but given how they were all angle eject and had the horrible safety, I am unlikely to ever acquire one. Unless someone (Come on Cimmaron!) markets their 94 replica for it...
Rifle: Sears Ted Williams Model 100. (Technically a pre-83 Winchester 94.) .30-30
Carbine: Pre-83 Winchester 94, .44 Magnum. IMO, while there are better guns for our game than this, it is not as bad as some make it out to be. Maybe the post 83's are not as good. This is more likely what people will encounter.
.22 Rifle: Winchester 9422. Okay, so I used it again. At least tis time it has the right name for inclusion!
Pistol. No one makes a 94 Mare's Leg type pistol, and I have no desire to create one like I did for the 73. For one thing, I'd not chop up a Pre-83 to make one.
And that's about all I can share for now. There are other families of guns that I could talk about, but my collection of them is incomplete to non existent. For example, I do have a shotgun and rifle on the British Martini action, but I do not (yet) have a carbine, or .22. I have seen pistols on the action, but that didn't sit will with me for some reason. There is also the Marlin square bolt and round bolt families, and even the Marlin top eject family, that has only a rifle and carbine in it. I think Henry Arms has one of everything, and I am pretty sure there are various single shot families that would be fairly close to complete, missing only a pistol, shotgun, or both.
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This is the Colt Lightning Family. Again, there is no shotgun.
Rifle: Colt Large Frame, .45-85-285. This is Colt's "Express" version of the .45-70. Uses the same case. I load it with 300 grain, .458" bullets
Carbine: Colt Medium Frame, .32-20 (Are you seeing a pattern yet?)
.22 Rifle: Colt Small Frame .22 Long
Pistol: AWA Lighting Bolt, .45 Colt. -
I call this next group the Winchester Browning Family, as the main members of it were designed by John Browning.
Shotgun: This family does not have a shotgun. At least not really. If ever I could find a .45-70 smoothbore 86, that would qualify. A few are supposed to have been made but they are probably so rare as to be too expensive. Maybe Chiappa will market one someday, but if not, this family has no shotgun.
Rifle: Winchester 1886, .45-70Carbine: Wichester 1892, .32-20.
.22 Rifle: Winchester 9422. .22 S.L.LR Okay, this is something of a cheat. It's name calls it a 94, but we all know that it's action is not at all like that gun, and it's just as much a stretch to say it's "more like" these than it's namesake. BUT, it does have the same basic silhouette for a family resemblance, so I think it's okay for inclusion.
Pistol: Chiappa 92 Mare's Leg. .44 Magnum. I replaced the factory D lever with this "Rio Bravo" one.
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Okay, I call this next group the Winchester Toggle Link Family, for reasons that should be obvious. This is the family that has the most potential variation in it for gun type options. This is also as good a place as any that, for these pics at least, I use originals where I can, and replicas where I must.
Shotgun: Winchester 1887. Okay... I know it's action is NOTHING like the rest of the guns, and putting it in this family may seems like a cheat, but, to me at least, it has a strong family resemblance, so I think it's okay to include it here.
Rifle: Ubert 1876, .45-60. (Original Winchesters are just too expensive for my wallet!)Carbines: Winchester '73, .32-20. Uberti 66, .32-20, Uberti 1860 Henry, .44-40. All three of these guns are obvious candidates for the family.
.22 Rifle Uberti 66 .22R. Uberti made these a few years ago. Winchester never did, but it's not all that different from the .22 73 that they did make. That would be an optional variant, either and original Winchester, or one of the Uberti replicas.
Pistol: Chiappa 73, .44-40, "Buntline Mares Leg." This is a home made Mares Leg based on a 16.5" barreled 73 marketed by Taylors. The overall length is well in excess of 26" and the barrel has not been shortened, so there are no NFA '34 problems. I suppose that theoretically, if someone had a Volcanic pistol, that could go here too.
See what I mean about this family having a lot of options?
Model P or Lightning in .32WCF?
in SASS Wire
Posted · Edited by H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619
.32-20? It's a great cartridge.
Rifles....
1 Colt Lighting.
1 Winchester 73
1 Winchester 92
1 Marlin 1888.
But, you were asking about pistols...
1 7.5" Antique 1st Generation Colt. This gun left the factory as a .44-40. Somebody converted it.
1 5.5" 3rd Generation Colt.
2 4.75" 1900's vintage Colt Bisleys.
The 7.5" is absolutely the LOUDEST pistol I have ever fired. Why it is so much louder than the shorter barrels, I do not know, but it is. It has been said that the .32-20 is the most efficient caliber for turning gunpowder into NOISE as you will ever find.
What do I recommend? The standard SAA or a copy thereof, is something you just can't go wrong with. Now, when you say "Model P or Lightning" that could mean multiple things. The Model P can refer to the Colt SAA, and the Lightning can refer to the Colt 1877 DA revolver. Both designations can also refer to a full size and a downsized version of the Colt marketed by, I think, Cimarron. The full size Cimarrons seem to be nice pistols. I have not handled the downsized ones, so I don't know what they are like. BUT, a rather cool thing about, at least some, of the Cimarron pistols is that they can be had with dual cylinders, one in .32-20 and the other in .32 H&R Magnum. The later cylinder can of course also chamber .32 S&W Long and .32 S&W if you so desire. That flexibility, IMO, makes getting the Cimmaron a very attractive pistol. I plan to try to find at least one of these sooner or later, but living in Massachusetts that may prove difficult.
On the other hand, I'd like to get a couple more Colts, preferably with 4-3/4" barrels. 1st or 2nd generation.
Good luck.